Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

tsunset said:
They should explain why they are expelling Iran's ambassador and not expelling Israel who is literally annexing their country
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Because,apparently for a lot of Lebanese,it's Hizbollah getting them in trouble. Historically and objectively,Iran did use Hizbollah as their launchpad in the Levant. That was their intention from the start,to export the Iranian Revolution. The Palestinian cause and the occupation of Lebanon by the Israelis and the SLA was what gave Hizbollah a reason to fight. And they were good at it. They became the best,most disciplined Arab militia in decades. But that's all in the past now.
 
Foinikas said:
I'm saying,they can roam almost freely over your air space or plot on the ground and all you guys can do is fire a wave every day and that's it. I remember ever since the time of Ahmadinejad,Iran was "destroying Israel" every month. Giving a "harsh reply" every now and then. Literally nothing would happen. 20 years now we've been hearing Iranians boast about "wiping Israel from the face of the earth" and things like that.
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It has been the declared tactic of the Iranian regime for decades that Iran would not invest in an air force and would allow them air superiority. How is that an achievement when Iran had already based his entire military doctrine on this?

And they have been boasting about regime change for 47 years. What happened? Millions of Iranians flooded the streets of Iran calling for regime change and even then, the US and Israel failed miserably again. What happened to we will hit Iran in a way that they cannot rebuild their nation?

Foinikas said:
And when you are at war,the strategy is "fire 40 missiles today,50 drones tomorrow,50 missiles the other day",while losing military and political leaders one after the other.
You're tactics are not working. Just as your internal counterintelligence and the majority of your Air Defence. Man,I'm just saying this because you had hyped it SOOOO MUCH all these years. Even on this forum just 2-3 years ago. We're talking about such hype,right now Americans should have lost half their fleet and Israelis all of their Air Force.
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Our tactics are working greatly. This war will bring the Western economy and her allies to the point of collapse if it continues for a few more weeks. The US is already begging to contact Iranian officials to seek a ceasefire and they're being denied and ridiculed right and left. That's not the typical behavior of the winning side. Only the losing side begs for negotiations.

Foinikas said:
So basically,you're telling me Iran is winning. Is that what you're telling me,Iran is winning?
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That's not what I'm telling you. That is what is happening.
 
Oracle said:
Iran suffered alot.

Nuclear reactors destroyed
Chief / govt officials / religious officials dead
Navy destroyers gone
1000s dead.
Infrastructure gone

And how many Israeli and usa got killed? 1 to 500 ratio
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omegalamba7xl9 said:
Yes however the most important thing is Iran didn't captiulate... Lived to fight another day...
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“We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.”——Grand Ayatollah Khomeini
 
Oracle said:
Iran suffered alot.

Nuclear reactors destroyed
Chief / govt officials / religious officials dead
Navy destroyers gone
1000s dead.
Infrastructure gone

And how many Israeli and usa got killed? 1 to 500 ratio
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Those are all tactical victories, but Iran is far ahead strategically still, in terms of the overall score card.
 
Master Chief said:
Is Lebanon a viable nation state? I tend to think not. I tend to think that it has been set up to fail.
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It used to be viable State and very succesful,in fact it was very prosperous and could have been a small Middle-Eastern Switzerland but...by the '70s leftist politics were coming in.Palestinians were becoming a problem,sides were getting polarized,sectarianism started flaring up.

Ever since then it's all fubar. Although it's still one of the most bizzare places on the planet. It can be beautiful and relaxed in one moment and full of war and internal fighting the next.
 
Foinikas said:
Because,apparently for a lot of Lebanese,it's Hizbollah getting them in trouble. Historically and objectively,Iran did use Hizbollah as their launchpad in the Levant. That was their intention from the start,to export the Iranian Revolution. The Palestinian cause and the occupation of Lebanon by the Israelis and the SLA was what gave Hizbollah a reason to fight. And they were good at it. They became the best,most disciplined Arab militia in decades. But that's all in the past now.
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The Lebanese Shia were also the most downtrodden community in the country and were left to the mercy of Israel and the Phalangist/SLA militias. It's not surprising they decided to take matters into their own hands. You can only abuse a community so much.
 
Foinikas said:
It used to be viable State and very succesful,in fact it was very prosperous and could have been a small Middle-Eastern Switzerland but...by the '70s leftist politics were coming in.Palestinians were becoming a problem,sides were getting polarized,sectarianism started flaring up.

Ever since then it's all fubar. Although it's still one of the most bizzare places on the planet. It can be beautiful and relaxed in one moment and full of war and internal fighting the next.
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So if we hear you all the problems are because of Palestinians and Hezbollah, and that if they never existed Israel would have never annexed parts of Lebanon and would have let them become a middle east Switzerland
 


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VCheng said:
Those are all tactical victories, but Iran is far ahead strategically still, in terms of the overall score card.
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I dont think so, ground realities are different

infrastructure which took years and years to build has been critically damaged

though, IR still has fought back but impact is limited.

or

impact is there, which somehow, is veiled!
 
ShapurII said:
And they have been boasting about regime change for 47 years. What happened? Millions of Iranians flooded the streets of Iran calling for regime change and even then, the US and Israel failed miserably again. What happened to we will hit Iran in a way that they cannot rebuild their nation?
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Man,I can't but ask: What the heck are you doing in Italy then? And the other guy in France? 😂
ShapurII said:
That's not what I'm telling you. That is what is happening.
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Come on! How is Iran winning? Your economy is in shambles,the majority of your bases destroyed,your senior officials and leaders are being taken out one by one,your fleet has been sunk,your gas and oil installations damaged,your AA has failed largely(not completely,largely),you have Israel and USA running bombing runs.

100,000 Iranian Rials is just 2.,45 dollars. The Jews have 3 Shekels to 1 dollar!

You haven't wiped out Israel from the map,as I've been hearing for years you'd do. Not only that,you lost Syria,you're losing South Lebanon again,you've the Kurds. Where's the Ace in the Sleeve? A long-drawn war to pressure world economy is the answer? Keeping the Straits closed and firing random missiles here and there? Come on! That's not exactly winning!
 
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