Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Iran is going nuclear. In the off chance it doesn’t it’s not giving its HEU out of the country. Your defeatist scenarios don’t reflect the new reality which is Iran is 2-3 weeks away from crushing the world economy.

As Argachi told Witkoff in negotiations, “we won’t give you what you couldn’t take in war”.

Also your debating with a user who before the war said Reza Pahlavi is gonna be King and Iranians will rush to welcome him in the streets.

Iran is going nuclear how?

The only nuclear explosion that Iran can produce now is a nuclear fart. We have 440 kilograms of 60% HEU in the form of UF6 that we can neither enrich it further, nor convert it into uranium metal. The US and Israel dominate our air space at the moment. Unless Iran has some secret underground nuclear facilities where we can further enrich our HEU and convert it into uranium metal, then an Iranian nuclear device in the near future is out of the question.

Yes, the late Khamenei said there would be no negotiations and no war. Just because Araghchi said that doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

Personally, I think Iran should not negotiate with the US at all, until the US accepts Iran's new terms. Iran at this point is the winner of this war. We should not sell short. But if the news about the negotiations is true, and you have been posting so much about it here, YOU not me, then Iran is selling short and we can all predict the outcome of that.

Iran hasn't lost the war yet. If Iran loses the war, Reza Pahlavi remains the first choice of Israel. Trump prefers somebody inside Iran because he's looking for a Venezuela-type situation, but if Iran gets defeated, then things will be very different.

Again, I don't think Iran has been defeated yet. We do have a fighting chance at this point, as long as we do not sell our position short.

 

[codeforfood]

Those are all tactical victories, but Iran is far ahead strategically still, in terms of the overall score card.

Second that! Wars are done to achieve certain goals you as an opponent you use all you have to defend and make sure your enemy don't achieve those goals. I don't think Israel has achieved what it wanted out of this. Not yet at least.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Nuclear reactors destroyed

Bushehr nuclear reactor is not destroyed

Tehran Research Reactor is not destroyed

uranium centrifuge facilities were already destroyed in June but new facilities are being built in more protected facilities and these cannot be destroyed

 

[ShapurII]

I told you it was impossible many times before the war. PhD war veteran technocrats now control Iran and Sepah controls 40% of a 92M population economy.

But you clung to your Pahlavi fantasies (no offense) and spouted nonsense.

At least you weren’t as bad as @Aryobarzan
Who said Tehran will fall in one week. Jesus Christ.

I didn't expect the IRGC to fight back like it did. I was wrong on that assumption and I never whitewashed it or refused to acknowledge it. Trump thought the same too. It was based on the reluctance of the system to go up the escalation ladder.

My prediction of the IRGC's unwillingness to fight back was based on the 12-day war where Iran's bravest reaction to the US bombing of our nuclear facilities was 6 missiles fired at Qatar.

 

[safriz]

Forget every other weapons in the world: Drones are going to be the most potent hardware of warfare, smuggling, terrorism, and sabotage within a short time.

And how does a civilian airport in Kuwait , a country which is not in any direct conflict with Iran, became a legitimate target ?

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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Iran's new missile attacks on occupied Eilat

Hebrew media reports that the new wave of Iranian attacks is on the way to Eilat in the south of occupied Palestine .

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[Persian Gulf]

And how does a civilian airport in Kuwait , a country which is not in any direct conflict with Iran, became a legitimate target ?

you are still peddling this nonsense?

here's your answer:

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[Persian Gulf]

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[Immortals]

He is allowed his opinion, it is a discussion forum, after all. We are all wrong at different times.

He is a traitor to his country. He actively conspired against his country to spread propaganda for one man. No different than MAGA idiots and what they did to America. And he is still waiting for the opportunity to jump back to that ship if the tides turn.

The leader of the free world and the most powerful military in history did not expect Iran to fire missiles at Arab countries, and even he was wrong, lol.

I studied the Iranian military since I was 13 years old. I can tell if you killed Khamenai this is what would have happened. When the system has nothing to lose it will take everything down with it.

And the leader of the free world is a pedophile rapist sociopath. So if your intelligence barometer baseline is him, you got bigger problems my friend.



As for the damages the country suffered 1T dollars in the 1980-1988 war. This is nothing. Sure we lost our useless Navy and antique Airforce. Some passenger planes. Everything else can be rebuilt.

We needed this conflict to show the world our stature and break out of this vicious cycle and make any future president think twice about an adventure with Iran. We took the military option off the table for good.

Have some faith and don’t let the psych ops get to you. This was the best outcome we could have hoped for. Trust the PHD Technocrats and the IRGC. Criticism is warranted, but defeatist attitudes and dispora ideology is a zero tolerance zone.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Iran's new missile attacks on occupied Eilat

Hebrew media reports that the new wave of Iranian attacks is on the way to Eilat in the south of occupied Palestine .

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this news is many hours old

 

[Garcia Sea]

A blockade of the Strait of Hormuz for several months would deal a devastating blow to the global economy and the wealth of the GCC.
If the war continues until the US midterm elections in November, the Republican Party is certain to suffer a historic defeat, and they will likely descend into panic as this date approaches.
That's why Trump is again demanding an early ceasefire.
And if they agree to an early ceasefire, an even larger invasion awaits. You should learn from the history of Hitler's invasion of France in World War II, when he repeatedly called for peace and unilaterally announced ceasefires, crushing France's will to resist.
The loop of surprise attack → ceasefire → negotiation → surprise attack is a common tactic of aggressors.
Therefore, an invaded country must first resolutely refuse an early ceasefire and fight to the bitter end until a clear stalemate occurs and the enemy has no choice but to consider genuine negotiations.
Countries that agree to an early ceasefire invariably face a terrible end.

 

[Bharatah]

But they can target our oil/gas infrastructure in return. We still have Bab El-Mendeb left but I don't think we would play that card anytime soon. It's probably reserved for when the conflict grows larger and other countries like Saudi Arabia and the Emirates join in.

The US and their allies have not released all of their strategic oil reserves yet. They can control the oil price for a couple of weeks. The question is, does Iran have that much time left?

Israel sees the entirety of the IRGC as an existential threat. As long as the IRGC exists, Israel will not accept to coexist with Iran, unless it is forced to do so. So, that option is only possible if the IRGC gets dismantled and that seems impossible because at this point, the regime is technically the IRGC.

At this moment, yes. However, once the war ends and the situation returns to normal, it is possible. Not all components would be sent at once, of course.

Zionism is racism. In the 50s, 60s, 70s and early 80s there were no IRGC, Hamas, Hezbollah, or Houthis, but Israel was killing thousands of people in various countries in the region. IRGC is a pretext for them to advance the colonization of the region. If the IRGC ends, the attacks will INCREASE! Just as since Assad left, Israeli attacks (and territorial control) have increased in Syria.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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The US Senate once again voted to continue the war with Iran

In the re-voting in the Senate, which was held at the initiative of "Chris Murphy", the leader of the Democrats, the majority of the Senate, which belongs to the Republicans, voted to continue the war against Iran.

In this voting, 47 people voted to stop the war and 53 people voted to continue it.

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[Immortals]

Iran is going nuclear how?

The only nuclear explosion that Iran can produce now is a nuclear fart. We have 440 kilograms of 60% HEU in the form of UF6 that we can neither enrich it further, nor convert it into uranium metal. The US and Israel dominate our air space at the moment. Unless Iran has some secret underground nuclear facilities where we can further enrich our HEU and convert it into uranium metal, then an Iranian nuclear device in the near future is out of the question.

Yes, the late Khamenei said there would be no negotiations and no war. Just because Araghchi said that doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

Personally, I think Iran should not negotiate with the US at all, until the US accepts Iran's new terms. Iran at this point is the winner of this war. We should not sell short. But if the news about the negotiations is true, and you have been posting so much about it here, YOU not me, then Iran is selling short and we can all predict the outcome of that.

Iran hasn't lost the war yet. If Iran loses the war, Reza Pahlavi remains the first choice of Israel. Trump prefers somebody inside Iran because he's looking for a Venezuela-type situation, but if Iran gets defeated, then things will be very different.

Again, I don't think Iran has been defeated yet. We do have a fighting chance at this point, as long as we do not sell our position short.

I’m not gonna argue with you. I did that before the war and it didn’t change your clearly engrained ideology.

So here are my predictions:

• Iran will go nuclear by end of year
• If Iran collectively decides to not go to the nuke — the HEU will not depart the country and will remain and used as leverage and maybe diluted to 20%
• Enrichment will restart (maybe not immediately given the repairs that need to be done)
• Uranium metal is already able to converted at facilities with dual use conversion capability
• Iran has hidden centrifuges
• Iran was able to smuggle material and centrifuge parts out before the June war and before Feb war and disperse it per satellite photos.

The US couldn’t “take” Iran’s uranium in the June war or the Ramadan war. Only a fool will hand it over freely for some petty reversible concessions like we did with the Arak reactor (plutonium path).

Let’s see who is right this time. Who knows maybe you get lucky for once in your life my friend.

 

[925boy]

Sorry Russia is words than action on Irans part and if they are giving Iranians intelligence than honestly that’s more than us ever expected Putin to do

Well Russia has done the following for Iran so far:

Purchased a ton of drones, artillery shells, and weapons, for its war against Ukraine - brought Iran alot of revenue in hard cash.

Sold and shipped Mi-28 nighthunter to Iran.

Training Iranian pilots for Su35s in Russia.

Sold EW warfare systems, including the effecrive ones that shutdown the Starlink internal rioters were using in January protests.

Developing and activating INSTC trade route with Iran- a big trade and geopolitical win for Iran.

Support for Iran's nuclear facilities by deploying workers to sites like Bushehr.

Launched Iranian national satellite payload on Russia space rocket launches.

Provided iran advanced satellite information of US military movements during the current war.

Support and protection in UN's security council.

And you call this all words than action?
I would instead say Russia and Iran are experiencing the best relations they've had in modern times now. Enjoy it while it lasts.