PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

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Again. Vocabulary limitation?

Also whats with the whataboutism? IKs relations with Trump is well documented as a PM. We saw how he held himself. We also see the alternatives "Nobel peace prize saar!"
Does it pain you that you meet the definition of a cult?

Pointing out your hypocrisy is not whataboutism, it's showing you that everyone of your arguments is a hilariously embarassing coping mechanism to justify your personality worship because you don't even live up to your own established principles.

You set them, and then break them to maintain the uncontrollable desire to personality worship.
 
GHQ mafia has done much worse, they gave 2 bases in Pakistan to get
their own Country bombed. Is this not a red line? they are paid to protect
the Country not to sell out and get their own Country bomebd for dollars.

2000s was indeed a dark history for Pakistan. US empire was at its peak and had already planned to do this. Even if Imran Khan was the leader with hand picked generals, there was nothing Pakistan could do about it. You can deliver speeches or do mujrah march but there was nothing that Pakistan could do about it. Pakistan could not afford to stay isolated and no other country could help Pakistan.
PTI cult followers needs to learn and accept bitter truth. Dont tell me your Imrand could defeat US in 2000s with his fairytale speeches.
 
PTI is finished since 2022, I just hope these GHQ goons don't puut another
nail in Pakistan coffin like they done with East Pakistan, Siachen and Kargil.
Never seen such group of self loathing individuals. Saaar India waan all the vaar saar because Indian daddies on tweeter says so.

You think only PTI has the brain to question everything? Ok tell me whose brilliant idea was it to include geographically divided east and west Pakistan to begin with? Did it really make sense? You think Imran Khan would have been able to keep east and west Pakistan intact even if he gave all rights to Bangladesh? Unless you are a super power, its best if you give independence to geographically divided territory. You cant blame east pakistan on Army alone.
Saar we lost Kargil saaar. Wasnt it Pakistan that entered Indian territory and occupied it for 3 months? So what we lost Kargil, atleast we tried to snatch it back unlike incompetent Imran who would have never carried any military operations with India because he wanted to resolve kashmir issue with India and denuclearize Pakistan. Bet he was willing India to keep IOK.
 
Clarification on Kasim Khan's statement.
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Saar Kasim Khan is very innocent kid who is a true muslim ummah warrior he had no idea who was sitting next to.
On a serious note, did Kasim arrange this UN speech all by simself? NOOOOO, he was convinced by PTI members and they got in touch with anti pak elements to arrange this. Now that PTI got caught yet again, they are in total denial.
Btw, im waiting for this next PTI final hope for muslim ummah leader to talk against Israeli occupation and war on Iran.
 
Bro it's worse. Funded, created, then fought with.

but somehow Imran Khan's statements are the issue.


The people on this forum in general do not have any sense how divided parts of the nation are today. India is having a blast while some on here are clapping at procurement of arms while losing the bigger picture.

The crazy thing is they think this is for the betterment of Pakistan. Make it make sense. Ask any neutral what they think and no one would align with their opinion

When you have cult leaders like Imran who has brainwashed his blind followers to burn Pakistan if he dies then anything could happen
 
Again. Vocabulary limitation?

Also whats with the whataboutism? IKs relations with Trump is well documented as a PM. We saw how he held himself. We also see the alternatives "Nobel peace prize saar!"

Do you seriously think that US is interested in same to same level saar type of relationship with Pakistan? The problem is, you guys live in your own fairytale bubble and think the world can revolve around what Imran Khan wants from others. Sometimes its okay for nations to look in the mirror and know their aukat infront of super power like US. You can not demand what you like and want... thats not how diplomacy works. Imran khan and his followers think they live in a college campus and anything could be achieved with speeches and requests.
 
On a serious note, im interested to know clarification from PTI followers on what Imran Khan means by resolving kashmir issue with India. Does he means India can keep IOK and we keep our and we move along? If yes then does that not mean we have come half way to India's demand? So we need to recognize IOK as integral part of India?
 
Do you seriously think that US is interested in same to same level saar type of relationship with Pakistan? The problem is, you guys live in your own fairytale bubble and think the world can revolve around what Imran Khan wants from others. Sometimes its okay for nations to look in the mirror and know their aukat infront of super power like US. You can not demand what you like and want... thats not how diplomacy works. Imran khan and his followers think they live in a college campus and anything could be achieved with speeches and requests.

Yep. As expected. Slavery has been so deeply ingrained in you, there is just no hope. That's the difference, you want to salute Trump and get a "good boy" while we think Pakistans independence should mean something.

This is your definition of "diplomacy"? Bend backwards, get taken advantage of and hope overlords agree?

Also, why are you same people then complaining about gulf countries in other threads? But if I call out the hypocrisy "cult saaar!"
 
On a serious note, im interested to know clarification from PTI followers on what Imran Khan means by resolving kashmir issue with India. Does he means India can keep IOK and we keep our and we move along? If yes then does that not mean we have come half way to India's demand? So we need to recognize IOK as integral part of India?
Imran Khan redrew the map of Kashmir and left the border open ended. He said it was to be defined with China once it was liberated.

Imran Khan also redrew the map and staked Pakistans claim to Junagadh.

You're account is new but I know you have been born long enough to remember this.

Imran Khan also stood in Muzafarabad and said that once IOK was liberated he'd give the people of Kashmir a vote on remaining with Pakistan or independence.
 
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2000s was indeed a dark history for Pakistan. US empire was at its peak and had already planned to do this.

US empire was at its peak so it's ok to gift them 2 bases so they can f@ck you hard
and you don't even fire a bullet back. Wah fauji cult lol.

Thankfully the Iranians don't think like these sell out Fuji cult Generals. The Iranians
don't have nuclear weapons but they have self respect, something the fauji cult
can learn from.
 
US empire was at its peak so it's ok to gift them 2 bases so they can f@ck you hard
and you don't even fire a bullet back. Wah fauji cult lol.

Thankfully the Iranians don't think like these sell out Fuji cult Generals. The Iranians
don't have nuclear weapons but they have self respect, something the fauji cult
can learn from.

These people have no understanding of diplomacy or are simply trolling.

Ask any neutral and they’d talk about how much of a disaster the foreign policy then was.

Also saying this when Pakistan is actively in a war with Taliban is the definition of having no shame. None of this would have happened if half decent decisions were made

And then they say you only defend Imran khan for good looks lmao
 
Which anti-Pakistan elements?

And also, do you think those in power are currently pro Pakistan? I do not remember Pakistan with so much internal turmoil my whole life. Pakistan is going down a dangerous path and we all know why.

Go talk to some young army officers behind closed doors and you'll understand what anti-Pakistan activities are happening.

Usually I don't like to respond to anti-state scums but here you go.

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Yep. As expected. Slavery has been so deeply ingrained in you, there is just no hope. That's the difference, you want to salute Trump and get a "good boy" while we think Pakistans independence should mean something.

This is your definition of "diplomacy"? Bend backwards, get taken advantage of and hope overlords agree?

Also, why are you same people then complaining about gulf countries in other threads? But if I call out the hypocrisy "cult saaar!"
No one is suggesting bending backward or seeking a “good boy” pat on the head, but confusing loud slogans with actual independence is exactly why this mindset always crashes into a wall. Real sovereignty isn't about throwing tantrums at superpowers but knowing to do so only when you have the economic, technological, and institutional leverage to tell them no.

You think shouting at the US makes Pakistan independent, but an “independent” country doesn't have to go to the IMF every three years, beg for deferred oil payments, or export its citizens for cheap labor just to keep the central bank afloat. The people who actually weakened Pakistan's independence aren't the ones calling for pragmatic diplomacy, they are the politicians and cheerleaders who thought running a country on debt and defiance was a viable foreign policy.

Your comparison to the Gulf thread actually proves the point perfectly, and ironically, it only reinforces why people call this mindset a cult. You are angry at the Gulf for looking out for their own interests, angry at the US for doing the same, and angry at anyone who points out that Pakistan needs to operate pragmatically within that reality. You want a world that accommodates your feelings rather than a foreign policy that deals with facts. The Gulf countries actually have independence because they don't scream at superpowers because they quietly balance them, build leverage, and run economies that force the world to take them seriously.

That is the contradiction of a cult: demanding the swagger of a superpower while defending the financial decisions of a failed state. Slavery isn't understanding how leverage works in international relations. True slavery is being financially dependent on the world while living in a closed echo chamber where empty rhetoric is mistaken for bravery. If you want Pakistan to be truly independent, build an economy that doesn't need bailouts. Until then, diplomacy requires playing the hand you actually have, not the one your political messiah pretends you have.
 
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