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F-22Raptor said:
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Once again, the Iranian regime ā€œsurvivingā€ is not victory. Iran will be at the weakest itā€™s ever been, its military and industrial facilities destroyed. Itā€™s just a matter of time until the regime is overthrown.
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This is wishful thinking with fear at its core of the impeding conclusion to the war, that is not favourable to the Americans. The Americans think this is a war of tanks, and ships and planes destroyed as 'victory'. This was the same in Vietnam, where the USA won every tactical military battle, but lost the war.

As it has been pointed to you many times, war is simply politics by other means. Who will achieve their political goals once this is all over and done with. You ignore this reality either because you cannot understand the concept, or you do not want to acknowledge the outcome itself.

The Iranians are fighting an economic war against the USA and it's allies, this war will drag the entire world economy to its feet, and that will force the world to make concessions to meet its strategic interests of Iran. Time is on Iran's side. The Americans dare not even attempt to stop Iranian oil ships from sailing, because of the fear the Americans have over oil prices !!! The Iranians are earning more from oil now, than at any time in the past.

Iran will impose a toll on all ships in the Persian Gulf. That will not go away now.

Additionally, the USA has no answer to the missile cities, other than "continuous" suppression of the entrances to force down daily launch rates. Once that suppression layer goes, the missiles start firing as the tunnels are cleared. This is not a sustainable strategy.

The USA has no answer to how to open the straits of Hormuz. Capturing Kharg Island ? Nope. Capturing the peripheral islands off the cost of Iran, nope.. What will 20,000 troops do against a country that has already mobilised 1 million soldiers for this war ? The Iranians keep asking the USA to "come closer" but the Americans are afraid to do so. There will be no favourable conclusion to this war for the Americans from bombing from the Air..

The Iranians have nothing to lose, and the Americans are about to find out why the "Persian Gulf" is called the "Persian Gulf" ...

The Americans have shot their "best load" against the Iranians, the Iranians have taken the worst of the Americans can do militarily and that is not changing the battlefield right now for a political reality that is in the USA's favour.

Why does Trump keep asking for formal NATO help every single day and why is he upset when they rebuff him? It is because the USA is losing, and they know it.

The Iranians had prepared for this war.

This war will come down to either the USA, or Iran bending the knee to the other. On balance, with the limited options available, it is the USA that will have to bend the knee to the Iranians, it is simply a question of time.

Be patient, and just wait the Americans lose this war.
 
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AZ_HighCountry said:
The question is, which side does time favor?
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The US clearlyā€¦.Irans economy, military, and industrial facilities are destroyed. The regime has no legitimacy, and can only enforce its power through murder.

Meanwhile, the only effect this war has had on Americans is by paying an extra $20 at the gas pump.

The US can bomb any Iranian target it wants at will, including the other half of Iranian leaders hiding in rat holes. Meanwhile, Iranian fire is down over 90% from the opening days.

As for the Strait, the war is not over, and the 17K troops being deployed almost certainly arenā€™t going there to sight see.

Tactically and operationally the US has been dominant. From a strategic/political perspective, the Iranian regime is significantly degraded and in no position to make any demands.
 
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The Tripoli group has arrived in Centcom
 
F-22Raptor said:
The US clearlyā€¦.Irans economy, military, and industrial facilities are destroyed. The regime has no legitimacy, and can only enforce its power through murder.

Meanwhile, the only effect this war has had on Americans is by paying an extra $20 at the gas pump.

The US can bomb any Iranian target it wants at will, including the other half of Iranian leaders hiding in rat holes. Meanwhile, Iranian fire is down over 90% from the opening days.

As for the Strait, the war is not over, and the 17K troops being deployed almost certainly arenā€™t going there to sight see.

Tactically and operationally the US has been dominant. From a strategic/political perspective, the Iranian regime is significantly degraded and in no position to make any demands.
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Do you understand even the slightest how Persians think?

The US is dealing with an Asian adversary. Let that sink in.
 
Ali_Baba said:
This is wishful thinking with fear at its core of the impeding conclusion to the war, that is not favourable to the Americans. The Americans think this is a war of tanks, and ships and planes destroyed as 'victory'. This was the same in Vietnam, where the USA won every tactical military battle, but lost the war.

As it has been pointed to you many times, war is simply politics by other means. Who will achieve their political goals once this is all over and done with. You ignore this reality either because you cannot understand the concept, or you do not want to acknowledge the outcome itself.

The Iranians are fighting an economic war against the USA and it's allies, this war will drag the entire world economy to its feet, and that will force the world to make concessions to meet its strategic interests of Iran. Time is on Iran's side. The Americans dare not even attempt to stop Iranian oil ships from sailing, because of the fear the Americans have over oil prices !!! The Iranians are earning more from oil now, than at any time in the past.

Iran will impose a toll on all ships in the Persian Gulf. That will not go away now.

Additionally, the USA has no answer to the missile cities, other than "continuous" suppression of the entrances to force down daily launch rates. Once that suppression layer goes, the missiles start firing as the tunnels are cleared. This is not a sustainable strategy.

The USA has no answer to how to open the straits of Hormuz. Capturing Kharg Island ? Nope. Capturing the peripheral islands off the cost of Iran, nope.. What will 20,000 troops do against a country that has already mobilised 1 million soldiers for this war ? The Iranians keep asking the USA to "come closer" but the Americans are afraid to do so. There will be no favourable conclusion to this war for the Americans from bombing from the Air..

The Iranians have nothing to lose, and the Americans are about to find out why the "Persian Gulf" is called the "Persian Gulf" ...

The Americans have shot their "best load" against the Iranians, the Iranians have taken the worst of the Americans can do militarily and that is not changing the battlefield right now for a political reality that is in the USA's favour.

Why does Trump keep asking for formal NATO help every single day and why is he upset when they rebuff him? It is because the USA is losing, and they know it.

The Iranians had prepared for this war.

This war will come down to either the USA, or Iran bending the knee to the other. On balance, with the limited options available, it is the USA that will have to bend the knee to the Iranians, it is simply a question of time.

Be patient, and just wait the Americans lose this war.
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No, this war has had no effect on the American economy outside of paying an extra $20 at the gas station. Thats minuscule cost relative to the annihilation the Iranian regime, military, economy, and industrial facilities has received.

Iran is in no position to demand anything. Iran is now weaker than itā€™s ever been.
 
F-22Raptor said:
No, this war has had no effect on the American economy outside of paying an extra $20 at the gas station. Thats minuscule cost relative to the annihilation the Iranian regime, military, economy, and industrial facilities has received.

Iran is in no position to demand anything. Iran is now weaker than itā€™s ever been.
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You have wonderfully demonstrated your ignorance in how a supply chain works.

Well done.
 
Ali_Baba said:
This is wishful thinking with fear at its core of the impeding conclusion to the war, that is not favourable to the Americans. The Americans think this is a war of tanks, and ships and planes destroyed as 'victory'. This was the same in Vietnam, where the USA won every tactical military battle, but lost the war.

As it has been pointed to you many times, war is simply politics by other means. Who will achieve their political goals once this is all over and done with. You ignore this reality either because you cannot understand the concept, or you do not want to acknowledge the outcome itself.

The Iranians are fighting an economic war against the USA and it's allies, this war will drag the entire world economy to its feet, and that will force the world to make concessions to meet its strategic interests of Iran. Time is on Iran's side. The Americans dare not even attempt to stop Iranian oil ships from sailing, because of the fear the Americans have over oil prices !!! The Iranians are earning more from oil now, than at any time in the past.

Iran will impose a toll on all ships in the Persian Gulf. That will not go away now.

Additionally, the USA has no answer to the missile cities, other than "continuous" suppression of the entrances to force down daily launch rates. Once that suppression layer goes, the missiles start firing as the tunnels are cleared. This is not a sustainable strategy.

The USA has no answer to how to open the straits of Hormuz. Capturing Kharg Island ? Nope. Capturing the peripheral islands off the cost of Iran, nope.. What will 20,000 troops do against a country that has already mobilised 1 million soldiers for this war ? The Iranians keep asking the USA to "come closer" but the Americans are afraid to do so. There will be no favourable conclusion to this war for the Americans from bombing from the Air..

The Iranians have nothing to lose, and the Americans are about to find out why the "Persian Gulf" is called the "Persian Gulf" ...

The Americans have shot their "best load" against the Iranians, the Iranians have taken the worst of the Americans can do militarily and that is not changing the battlefield right now for a political reality that is in the USA's favour.

Why does Trump keep asking for formal NATO help every single day and why is he upset when they rebuff him? It is because the USA is losing, and they know it.

The Iranians had prepared for this war.

This war will come down to either the USA, or Iran bending the knee to the other. On balance, with the limited options available, it is the USA that will have to bend the knee to the Iranians, it is simply a question of time.

Be patient, and just wait the Americans lose this war.
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The US intelligence community assesses Irans strategic position as ā€œsignificantly degraded.ā€

As I stated above, Iran is in no position to make any demands. From a political standpoint, the US position has only strengthened since the start of operations.
 
F-22Raptor said:
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The US intelligence community assesses Irans strategic position as ā€œsignificantly degraded.ā€

As I stated above, Iran is in no position to make any demands. From a political standpoint, the US position has only strengthened since the start of operations.
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Significantly degraded yet the Strait is still a highly contested waterway.

Stop taking everything at face value as some sign of clear dominance.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
You have wonderfully demonstrated your ignorance in how a supply chain works.

Well done.
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The US is a net petroleum exporter and the closure of the Strait has minimal impact on the US economy relative to the globe. Sure, higher air/gas prices, some inflation pressure etcā€¦but itā€™s a minimal cost overall
 
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