Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

That is a good reason why this won't be a 'short' war as many are hoping. The consequences are too large for both sides. This has all the makings of a Vietnam style descent to quicksand.

Ahhh. No comparison with the Vietnam War or the Korean War or the Ukraine War or any other war after World War II. When Dennis Kucinich recently said this 'is the most dangerous war for America', he meant what he said.

There is every possibility of this war having its impact way beyond the already global impact of an economic war to become a religious war, if anyone is even vaguely familiar with the various Crusades. To add to the mix, only some fool would deny there is potential to impact China's rise, which makes it even more dangerous.
 
This POS is a Zio mouthpiece masquerading as America first
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Thick twat. Americans and Israelis didn't discuss with Arabs or Nato. Now America getting fkd up the ass want others to help. Arabs allowed you assholess to have base to protect them not to bring trouble to their lands. Nato is supposed to be defence organistaion so fuk off and solve the problems you caused yourself. Good to see you admit you cant defeat Irqn
 
yep they are stuck either go full on or give concessions that iran wants

should have never started it , i wonder if israel knew and knowingly did this to trap america
All I can say is Trump's inner circle didn't think through this carefully. If they had done so, considering the costs that will be incurred, they would have involved Congress or at a minimum, House and Senate Armed Services Committees, before starting the midnight bombing. However stupid one may consider George W. Bush to be, he didn't commit that blunder. But the talented politician LBJ fell into the trap. And paid dearly for it.
 
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Iranian attacks against Qatar have stopped, and the city will reopen its government offices, banks, and schools.
Qatar has also declared that it is distancing itself from the war and will not participate in any escalation of the conflict.
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People here just too loosely use 'the Gulfies' to describe all Gulf Arab countries. Only Bahrain, Kuwait, and the UAE could be called 'vassal' states. The others have shown plenty of backbone and independence/neutrality while trying to protect their interests which are deeply tied with the American backed order.
 
All I can say is Trump's inner circle didn't think through this carefully. If they had done so, considering the costs that will be incurred, they would have involved Congress or at a minimum, House and Senate Armed Services Committees, before starting the midnight bombing. However stupid one may consider George W. Bush to be, he didn't commit that blunder. But the talented politician LBJ fell into the trap. And paid dearly for it.
Dubya ? He committed an even bigger blunder than Trump by launching a full scale invasion based on faulty intelligence. Maybe you meant George H W Bush ?

The fundamental problem is that Congress is supposed to have the war powers but those have been usurped by the Executive Branch going back to Korea. Now its come down to just one person deciding to launch a war or not and that's not good.

Nowadays Congress itself is so corrupt and compromised you wonder what will be the point of returning war powers to them ?
 
Ahhh. No comparison with the Vietnam War or the Korean War or the Ukraine War or any other war after World War II. When Dennis Kucinich recently said this 'is the most dangerous war for America', he meant what he said.

There is every possibility of this war having its impact way beyond the already global impact of an economic war to become a religious war, if anyone is even vaguely familiar with the various Crusades. To add to the mix, only some fool would deny there is potential to impact China's rise, which makes it even more dangerous.


It’s already lost. The optics will set the USA back decades worldwide. Taiwan and South Korea basically know they are defenceless now. This will push them into being more accommodating to China. The Gulf states know their defence is a mirage and they will always come second to Israel shows us how dumb these GCC Arabs really are. The world order has just shifted . Americans just haven’t realised yet.
 
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Intel Fab plant in Tel Aviv will be a juicy target for the Iranians.

Iran keeps ignoring the most valuable ( by build cost ) target in the whole of Israel. I can't think of many things that are worth more than that plant ... .

The mind boggles ....
 
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This could make more sense on the 82nd Airborne for their use case. Invading is easy, staying there is not.
 
Iran keeps ignoring the most valuable ( by build cost ) target in the whole of Israel. I can't think of many things that are worth more than that plant ... .

The mind boggles ....
I agree. The destruction of that facility alone will make this war economically disastrous for Israelis. Given how much the tech bros donated to Trump, it will hurt them too. If Iranians had brains they would focus on returning fire on Israeli tech related facilities.
 
Ahhh. No comparison with the Vietnam War or the Korean War or the Ukraine War or any other war after World War II. When Dennis Kucinich recently said this 'is the most dangerous war for America', he meant what he said.

There is every possibility of this war having its impact way beyond the already global impact of an economic war to become a religious war, if anyone is even vaguely familiar with the various Crusades. To add to the mix, only some fool would deny there is potential to impact China's rise, which makes it even more dangerous.
Scenario as Vietnam, Korea war very unlikely. The US would mobilize at least 500,000 men. Those 5,000 Marines are only good to storm the beaches of Hormuz or Kharg.
 
Western media does not consistently smear chyina, certain aspects yet but I imagine it's the same in China towards the west.

If anything the talk these days outside of politics is often complimentary and even envy of China, don't try to stir up hatred, it's very easy on this forum to do so, Pakistanis like most other south/south East Asian people very rarely fact check and can go on riots based on fake WhatsApp videos being shared.

As for military pacts...well yeah obviously, US/Russia will always go on the side of whoever is against the other, even if they are enemies.
I no longer want to look for evidence to refute you; I will quote comments from authoritative media in our country. Everyone, take a look at the Western countries' blackening production line.

Looking back at a series of lies about Xinjiang fabricated by the US and Western countries in recent years, and the so-called 'sanctions' imposed on China based on them, it becomes clear that linking Xinjiang cotton to 'forced labor' is still a familiar 'rumor production line' product: first, scholars and think tanks funded by anti-China forces fabricate so-called Xinjiang reports out of thin air; no matter how flawed or alarmist the reports are, mainstream Western media such as the BBC copy and cite them extensively, hyping them up; anti-China organizations fan the flames; politicians use this as a reason to promote sanctions against China...


If there were facts, the government would control information, just like Israel does not allow filming of attacks on Iran. Now China has opened visa-free travel, and many foreign friends have traveled to Xinjiang in China; they have not found so-called forced labor or concentration camps.

So, if this is not blackening, what is the Xinjiang cotton incident?

Since 2012, the BBC has often used the title 'But at what cost?' in positive news reports about China. For example, 'China is creating jobs for Ethiopia, but at what cost?' 'China is becoming smarter, but at what cost?' This title pattern typically first acknowledges China's achievements, then through the rhetorical question leads readers to focus on potential negative impacts or risks, which domestic and foreign netizens have summarized as the BBC's habitual 'blackening tactic.'

I remember the BBC is British media, right? Have you read this type of article?

Authoritative media in our country has never blackened other countries. If you are talking about Prince Andrew attending Epstein's parties in the UK, then that kind of news would not count as blackening, right?

Western countries arbitrarily trample on the bottom line of humanity; shouldn't civilized countries report the facts?
 
Military Pacts are a TWO way street - if they did not realise that before they signed it, then more fool on them.

I do believe that MBS was part of this conspiracy against Iran and that he sought the pact as insurance for Saudi, in case it all went wrong for Saudi Arabia.

( imho ).

There is no way out for Pakistan without losing face with Saudi Arabia who is a big financial backer of Pakistan....
Realy? Saudis backed Pakistan financially for years yet when Saudis asked help against Yemen Pakistan able to say NO. So dont worry we will say no. You cant ascribe human qualities like losing face to countries imo

No way we going to side with Israel under any condition
 
Israel's ultimate target is to confiscate South Lebanon's land. Behind this war, they are trying to take over land and change the ownership regulations of West Bank properties. Zionists are the most evil, and these GCC artificial states are willing to pay money to kill their own brothers.

Lets not talk about Lebanon on this thread, there is a dedicated thread for that already. Its not really important.
 

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