Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[brazensword]

 

[Flotilla]

Control and recognition are two different things.

I agree, but iranians have a long arm, in the form of short range ballistic missiles like Fateh110/313 and their antiship versions are enough to extent the control of whole Persian Gulf. Not to mention cruise missiles that are very easy to hide and disguise. Also the hand would be OWA drones, specially the jet powered Shahed 238 (which probably was the one that hit those tankers and E3) and Sadid 110 can cross the Persian Gulf in few minutes, closing any gap.

All Iranian weapons can be protracted underground or disguised in civilian trucks or ships.

Remember those weapons doesn't need command an control centers. They don't need nuclear submarines or fighters/bombers to be launched and are by definition not needed to be guided by third agents or assets, like JDAM bombs or some cruise missiles like Delilah/JASSM (firsts versions at least) that need fighters or bombers to get closer to targets, air bases and/or carriers and therefore hundreds of personnel and auxiliary services.

Finally all of them are considerable cheaper than US/Israeli counterparts.

So if geography, orography, doctrine, tactical weapons and económic aspects are favourable to Irán... They will control entire Persian Gulf.

 

[东风夜放花千树]

沙特阿拉伯现在让巴基斯坦陷入了非常艰难的境地。

巴基斯坦正在努力和平，沙特FM也在伊斯兰堡为此，但MBS却怂恿特朗普继续轰炸。

那他们可能会要求我们启动防卫协定.....

Let me share my viewpoint.

I believe the main purpose of Saudi Arabia signing an agreement with Pakistan is to protect the rights of the Saudi royal family. Saudi Arabia uses Pakistan's military deterrent capability to ensure the ruling position of the Saudi royal family.

For the Saudi royal family, this is the greatest interest.

We know that China and Pakistan are friendly countries, and Saudi Arabia and China are friendly trade partners. China, Russia, and Iran have cooperative relations. If Saudi Arabia asks Pakistan to join the Epstein coalition to attack Iran, then Pakistan would be standing against China and Russia. Many countries would not accept Iran's defeat.

Saudi Arabia knows the consequences of asking Pakistan to join the Epstein coalition to attack Iran. The Epstein coalition is bound to fail. Looking at the map, Iran's friends do not need to project power over long distances, whereas the U.S. requires a long-term deployment, and Europe does not wish to participate in this war—they have already declined Trump's request for escort. Therefore, remaining neutral is the best choice for now.

If the war expands, Saudi Arabia may ask Pakistan to send troops into Saudi Arabia. The task of the Pakistani army would be to maintain stability and air defense. Saudi Arabia would publicly display DF missiles and the Pakistani military to deter any country attempting to attack Saudi Arabia.

When a nuclear-armed country and a country with long-range missiles stand together, the deterrence is sufficient to ensure Saudi stability.

Although the U.S. strongly hopes for Gulf countries to participate in the war, participating in the war carries enormous risks. If Saudi Arabia does not participate in the war and only asks the Pakistani military to defend Saudi Arabia, we welcome this measure to prevent the escalation of the war.

 

[hyperman]

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[Flotilla]

It was a minor scape, its back in service:

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Damn life!

 

[brazensword]

Regime change somewhere
They are speaking in Spanish “Puta”

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Regime change in Bahrain haha. But it will be hard as Saudi usually sends its forces to subjugate the majority Shia population, even torturing and killing a guy named Mousavi just this week.

 

[That_Guy]

I agree, but iranians have a long arm, in the form of short range ballistic missiles like Fateh110/313 and their antiship versions are enough to extent the control of whole Persian Gulf. Not to mention cruise missiles that are very easy to hide and disguise. Also the hand would be OWA drones, specially the jet powered Shahed 238 (which probably was the one that hit those tankers and E3) and Sadid 110 can cross the Persian Gulf in few minutes, closing any gap.

All Iranian weapons can be protracted underground or disguised in civilian trucks or ships.

Remember those weapons doesn't need command an control centers. They don't need nuclear submarines or fighters/bombers to be launched and are by definition not needed to be guided by third agents or assets, like JDAM bombs or some cruise missiles like Delilah/JASSM (firsts versions at least) that need fighters or bombers to get closer to targets, air bases and/or carriers and therefore hundreds of personnel and auxiliary services.

Finally all of them are considerable cheaper than US/Israeli counterparts.

So if geography, orography, doctrine, tactical weapons and económic aspects are favourable to Irán... They will control entire Persian Gulf.

This is a political issue, not a military one.

They can control the strait militarily, sure, but the political cost will be enormous.

Guns won't win them recognition alone, they need strong diplomacy to achieve that goal. If what you said was correct, the strait would already be recognized as Iranian territory, and Iran wouldn't be putting it into a list of demands.

 

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[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/impact-reported-in-beersheba-after-latest-iranian-missile-attack/

So it’s really starting to look like Israels defenses are collapsing like a domino effect this whole saying they are about to wrap up operations is the saying it when they had originally said it will be several more weeks another impact just now Iran better keep hammering even after the Israelis unilaterally declare a ceasefire honestly they need to burn for their sins at this point

 

[东风夜放花千树]

I fully agree with this- protests don't change anything in US today. US is a democratic dictatorship and the protest don't change anything because 1. The people are divided- for every protester, there is someone else supoort9ng the govt and 2. Americans protest for attention it seems- why didn't they protest the Epstein files and abuse of kids? But they protested because the president apparently grabbed their pu***es?

We call Americans the cowards of North America. Because their guns are only useful in schools and shopping malls. Compared to using guns to fight dictators, they prefer to march.

Here is a poem written by a Chinese netizen, titled 'Cowards of North America.'

Husbands fight for oil for America, while wives are killed by ICE on the streets. Their children are sent to Epstein's island, and the gun-wielding cowards march and protest, shouting for freedom.

 

[Flotilla]

This is a political issue, not a military one.

They can control the strait militarily, sure, but the political cost will be enormous.

Guns won't win them recognition alone, they need strong diplomacy to achieve that goal. If what you said was correct, the strait would already be recognized as Iranian territory, and Iran wouldn't be putting it into a list of demands.

You're right. But if Donald Trump asks for stupids demandings, iranians can ask also for excessive demands. After all, US and Israel started It

 

[ToddE]

Iranian brothers what do you say here @Persian Gulf @Immortals @Emirzad @ResurgentIran2 @Kyussis

IRI is a hardcore Islamist revolutionary system that tried to rule a secular minded urban and educated society with iron grip. This created lots and lots of disgruntled Iranians inside and outside Iran and as individuals Iranians are extremely stubborn and egomaniac people. A dangerous combination that resulted into hordes of traitors. When Israelis pull an assassination, make no mistake its always perpetrated with massive help from inside or outside Iran using Iranians themselves.

 

[Yasser76]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/impact-reported-in-beersheba-after-latest-iranian-missile-attack/

So it’s really starting to look like Israels defenses are collapsing like a domino effect this whole saying they are about to wrap up operations is the saying it when they had originally said it will be several more weeks another impact just now Iran better keep hammering even after the Israelis unilaterally declare a ceasefire honestly they need to burn for their sins at this point

Yes, Israel states Iran is firing less missiles now, but s taking more actual hits then at the start of the war.

Definately they are holding back on Arrow as it seems to be running low, maybe they are now relying on Iron Dome which was not intended to take on BMs...

 

[ToddE]

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Thats a big secondary explosion. Bigly!


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