Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[shapurzolaktaf]

Cowards. It doesn't make sense. Why these monkeys are targeting Saudi Arabia? These brain less idiots have not been so far able to destroy any strategic military installation or target in Israel. Their missiles and drones are destroying houses and killing ordinary people and emotional apes keep madly thumping their chests on these killings.

Israel/US, on the other side, have destroyed huge number of Iranian military installations. It's not that any Muslim is happy on that. But all this death and destruction for Iranian Muslims is a direct result of decades old terrorist policies of foolish Iranian mullahs.

The leadership is supposed to steer clear its nation through threats, preserve its military power and assets, and stay on the path of development, progress, and strength. Chinese example is here for us all to see. Irani mullahs started their journey with suicidal policies, have brought death and destruction on their own people (and many other nations) multiple times, and are hell bent on fighting against the whole world. These foolish mullahs keep repeating the mantra of shahadat. Some one needs to tell ignorant mullahs that there is a difference between bravery and stupidity, between shahadat and suicide. No one cares if these mullahs die. But the problem is they are doing everything for bringing death and destruction to ordinary Iranian Muslims and the Muslims of many other countries.

Iran must declare jihad/holy war against saudi jews. They're killing our children. Wipe Aramco off the map.

 

[delta2]

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.

My theory is that this "war" is a sparring match and the USA wants to know how the Chinese tech will actually perform against theirs in a hot war. The Chinese did send some secret stuff to Iran and so did the Russians.

The biggest issue for me is that i jjst cannot trust the Iranian Regime. They are a two faced, double tongued snakes. The USA has enough firepower to level and wipe out every Iranian major city without using nukes, and despite being under such a threat for decades, the Iranian regime has made nukes illegal for itself. Because the only thing that keeps the USA away from destroying a country is the potential of nuclear retaliation by that country.

So, this must be taken in the larger conext of what the USA ruling class has been trying against China since Trump 1.0: Weaken and destroy China one way or another.

The USA ruling class is in bed with the Iranian ruling class. Mark my words here.

 

[Psyko70]

Attack israel only.

 

[Yellow is Okay]

Most likely worked as a ground personnel.

We have the Vietnamese member @Viet who recognized him in the old PDF forum.

That Viet guy's basically a bot and can't even speak Vietnamese at a competent level. He constantly posts propaganda without actually understanding what he's spreading. And whenever someone challenges him with facts, he just ignores it and conjures counterarguments out of nowhere. His posts were deleted, and he even got temporarily banned from his own thread. If I were you, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says.

 

[Immortals]

Actually, I have Chinese and French on my father's side, and Indian on my mother's side from Indian Buddhists who came to VN long ago.

A Chinese-Indian? What a weird unlikely combo

 

[Falcon29]

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[Navid09]

Sure. Then do not have an air force, have only missiles, threatens US, then wait for US to come to your house.

Saudi's and other GCC countries chose your doctrine, airforce and conventional.

Iran chose assymetric with a fraction of there budgets and still can outperfom them all combined. Heck even houthis with a tiny budget and no airforce managed to inflict damage to saudi's and force them into peace.

If they invested that money into an airforce, it would be been example 5% of what saudis had and would have easily been obliterated and then would have no air retaliatory measures as well as being under equipped due to having to heavily invest into air infrasture.

Airforce is definitely important, but only if part of combined arms and more importantly you can adequately protect them otherwise its a budget trap.

 

[delta2]

Cowards. It doesn't make sense. Why these monkeys are targeting Saudi Arabia? These brain less idiots have not been so far able to destroy any strategic military installation or target in Israel. Their missiles and drones are destroying houses and killing ordinary people and emotional apes keep madly thumping their chests on these killings.

Israel/US, on the other side, have destroyed huge number of Iranian military installations. It's not that any Muslim is happy on that. But all this death and destruction for Iranian Muslims is a direct result of decades old terrorist policies of foolish Iranian mullahs.

The leadership is supposed to steer clear its nation through threats, preserve its military power and assets, and stay on the path of development, progress, and strength. Chinese example is here for us all to see. Irani mullahs started their journey with suicidal policies, have brought death and destruction on their own people (and many other nations) multiple times, and are hell bent on fighting against the whole world. These foolish mullahs keep repeating the mantra of shahadat. Some one needs to tell ignorant mullahs that there is a difference between bravery and stupidity, between shahadat and suicide. No one cares if these mullahs die. But the problem is they are doing everything for bringing death and destruction to ordinary Iranian Muslims and the Muslims of many other countries.

Because this is a SPARRING match and they are all on the same side.

Expect the unexpected.

 

[Immortals]

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Both sides are nuts and fanatical at this point.

Neither side wants to blink first.

 

[marco-polo]

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.

I can tell you that here in Italy, generals, colonels and, generally speaking, former military personnel who speak on TV or online are largely in agreement that the American strategy makes no sense.

 

[PakFactor]

Cowards. It doesn't make sense. Why these monkeys are targeting Saudi Arabia? These brain less idiots have not been so far able to destroy any strategic military installation or target in Israel. Their missiles and drones are destroying houses and killing ordinary people and emotional apes keep madly thumping their chests on these killings.

Israel/US, on the other side, have destroyed huge number of Iranian military installations. It's not that any Muslim is happy on that. But all this death and destruction for Iranian Muslims is a direct result of decades old terrorist policies of foolish Iranian mullahs.

The leadership is supposed to steer clear its nation through threats, preserve its military power and assets, and stay on the path of development, progress, and strength. Chinese example is here for us all to see. Irani mullahs started their journey with suicidal policies, have brought death and destruction on their own people (and many other nations) multiple times, and are hell bent on fighting against the whole world. These foolish mullahs keep repeating the mantra of shahadat. Some one needs to tell ignorant mullahs that there is a difference between bravery and stupidity, between shahadat and suicide. No one cares if these mullahs die. But the problem is they are doing everything for bringing death and destruction to ordinary Iranian Muslims and the Muslims of many other countries.

It's for us to say, without having all the facts.

 

[gambit]

A Chinese-Indian? What a weird unlikely combo

Chinese, French, and Indian. And I am glad I have them.

 

[ety]

But Vietnamese is still your first language it seems.

Since we see lots of white maga already jump off this sinking ship, and it is time for you guys to go as well.

But, his Indian and Vietnamese genes are most evident in his character, .

 

[Arash]

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Leave Axios aside. Unreliable.

 

[Yellow is Okay]

A Chinese-Indian? What a weird unlikely combo

Not weird at all. You see Chinese-Indian mixes all the time in Malaysia and Singapore.