Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[gambit]

As a former American soldier, what do you think of the reasons behind this war? Many of your colleagues believe that the US government has been completely compromised by Israel for many years now. Do you think that’s true, or is it simply a matter of shared interests?

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.

 

[delta2]

What ever happens Muslims countries will be bombarded from both sides.. Bad times for so called Ummah..

Was arguing with a few Pehlavists the other day. Told them to go enlist in the US military and fight on the front lines, they tried to change the subject but I was like hope their families join the front lines too.

As much as I hate and despise the Iranian Crazy Mullah Regim, I do not wish the WW3 to break out.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

A Vietnamese who was a US Airforce pilot in the 90s? Yeah I don’t buy it. Maybe he has a Vietnamese mail order bride or something.

Most likely worked as a ground personnel.

We have the Vietnamese member @Viet who recognized him in the old PDF forum.

 

[gambit]

At least one HQ-9 would have been spotted on satellite or been destroyed by now if in active service of Iranian military. They more likely do not have it.

You ever heard of SIGINT or Signals Intelligence? We are the best at it.

What are the odds that before we attacked Iran, we knew %99, if not %100, of Iran's radars operating freqs?

You can find public info on how different radars for different purposes MUST use certain freq ranges with narrow signatures. Fascinating reading, I assure you.

 

[Falcon29]

What ever happens Muslims countries will be bombarded from both sides.. Bad times for so called Ummah..

The Jews are setting up destruction of GCC/Arabian Peninsula region and Iran. I think people of GCC are in denial about this and trying to cope.

Jews next step, if successful, would be emptying out Gaza and ruining Egypt

The solution is straightforward no need to hyper analyze situation, Ummah need to go after Jewish race collectively until they scare them enough and inflict enough casualties to have Jews back off

 

[Navid09]

Am going to try...Again...

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR AN AIR FORCE.

u should go tell all the groups using guerilla warfare in past decade that they need airforce. invest less in there guerrilla doctrine and more in an airforce, less arms, less equipment just get airforce.

when gaza had an airport, if they had some jets in there, wonder how effective they would have been.

 

[gambit]

Gambit is fully Vietnamese who refuged to America during the Vietnam war according to his biography in the old PDF.

Actually, I have Chinese and French on my father's side, and Indian on my mother's side from Indian Buddhists who came to VN long ago.

 

[Falcon29]

Honestly as much as you and others have doubted and the rate Irans missiles have been connecting over the past week I’m going to bet that they will very much prove you wrong Israel’s electrical grid is extremely fragile Israel’s own state comptroller called the government out about this a few direct hits Israel itself will be put in the Stone Age

I'm not confident of that but we will see

You do know the vast Americans who are Jewish don’t approve of the war and despise Bibi I may not care for those who control congress with the wallets but most despise Bibi and his cronies…..not going to lie the ones that live around me are hardcore Zionists but since we don’t live in Israel or Palestine they no better they are quick with their phones to record people after they are the ones who started racist remarks

They are overwhelmingly pro Gaza genocide and pro this war, facilitating it. Biden couldn't stand up to them neither can pedo Trump

 

[ety]

Gambit is fully Vietnamese who refuged to America during the Vietnam war according to his biography in the old PDF.

Some Asian Americans like him are really crazy devoted MAGA, a perfect example as the zeal of the convert.

He said on the forum he has some Indian blood in his family line.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Actually, I have Chinese and French on my father's side, and Indian on my mother's side from Indian Buddhists who came to VN long ago.

But Vietnamese is still your first language it seems.

Since we see lots of white maga already jump off this sinking ship, and it is time for you guys to go as well.

 

[RocketLaw]

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Cowards. It doesn't make sense. Why these monkeys are targeting Saudi Arabia? These brain less idiots have not been so far able to destroy any strategic military installation or target in Israel. Their missiles and drones are destroying houses and killing ordinary people and emotional apes keep madly thumping their chests on these killings.

Israel/US, on the other side, have destroyed huge number of Iranian military installations. It's not that any Muslim is happy on that. But all this death and destruction for Iranian Muslims is a direct result of decades old terrorist policies of foolish Iranian mullahs.

The leadership is supposed to steer clear its nation through threats, preserve its military power and assets, and stay on the path of development, progress, and strength. Chinese example is here for us all to see. Irani mullahs started their journey with suicidal policies, have brought death and destruction on their own people (and many other nations) multiple times, and are hell bent on fighting against the whole world. These foolish mullahs keep repeating the mantra of shahadat. Some one needs to tell ignorant mullahs that there is a difference between bravery and stupidity, between shahadat and suicide. No one cares if these mullahs die. But the problem is they are doing everything for bringing death and destruction to ordinary Iranian Muslims and the Muslims of many other countries.

Iran must declare jihad/holy war against saudi jews. They're killing our children. Wipe Aramco off the map.

 

[delta2]

Many, if not most, on this forum know from long ago that I do not like Trump. But to me, the idea that Trump is being 'played' by Netanyahu is just -- unbelievable. I do not know Trump personally, never even met him, but most likely I have more anti-Trump books than anyone on this forum have read in my home library. The common theme in all those anti-Trump books is that Stump is his own man. Clump trust no one but his gut instincts and lesser his family. So far, politically speaking, Dump is better than average and that is what driving the Democrats nuts.

Now, regarding the war...

My suspicion is that is Iraq is the primary lesson for Bump and his advisors. Am not talking WMDs even though it is clearer than Iraq that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons state status. Am talking about the 'imminent threat' status.

The question is: Can you afford a potential threat to become imminent?

A 'potential' threat remains potential as long as they are somehow incapable of getting out of that state, and as long as they remains potential, you can afford to keep just monitoring them. But once they approaches imminent state, now you must allocate greater political and military resources towards defending yourself.

We all know the old saying supposedly from Clausewitz: War is the continuation of politics by other means.

Actually, the original is: War is the continuation of POLICY by other means.

It is not pedantic.

Policy is an idea or what you want to do. Or a one-way street.

Politics is when your idea conflicts with someone else's idea. Or a two-way street.

If politics is successful, then we have a compromise where no one gets everything but everyone got something. Politics is what we want.

It is possible to falsely believe what is policy by the other side. And this happens on a regular basis.

I believe that Trump and his advisors are convinced, falsely or else, that it is POLICY of Iran to attack the US once Iran become a nuclear weapons state. I could be wrong, but whether I am wrong or right is 50/50. Just like anyone else's guess. Sure, the Israelis definitely have their inputs, but there are also plenty of Trump's inner and outer circles who are suspicious of Israel's motives. So, from this conviction, again false or else, Trump and his advisors decided the US cannot afford to have Iran reached that 'imminent threat' state. If I look at this strictly from a military perspective, the denial of 'imminent threat' state is a much more desirable approach.

My theory is that this "war" is a sparring match and the USA wants to know how the Chinese tech will actually perform against theirs in a hot war. The Chinese did send some secret stuff to Iran and so did the Russians.

The biggest issue for me is that i jjst cannot trust the Iranian Regime. They are a two faced, double tongued snakes. The USA has enough firepower to level and wipe out every Iranian major city without using nukes, and despite being under such a threat for decades, the Iranian regime has made nukes illegal for itself. Because the only thing that keeps the USA away from destroying a country is the potential of nuclear retaliation by that country.

So, this must be taken in the larger conext of what the USA ruling class has been trying against China since Trump 1.0: Weaken and destroy China one way or another.

The USA ruling class is in bed with the Iranian ruling class. Mark my words here.

 

[Psyko70]

Attack israel only.

 

[Yellow is Okay]

Most likely worked as a ground personnel.

We have the Vietnamese member @Viet who recognized him in the old PDF forum.

That Viet guy's basically a bot and can't even speak Vietnamese at a competent level. He constantly posts propaganda without actually understanding what he's spreading. And whenever someone challenges him with facts, he just ignores it and conjures counterarguments out of nowhere. His posts were deleted, and he even got temporarily banned from his own thread. If I were you, I wouldn't put much stock in anything he says.