US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[j_hungary]

The primary objectives of this operation are in my last post. Cost of inaction would have seen a 2030 nuclear armed Iran with over 10,000 ballistic missiles shielding it.

From a tactical and operational standpoint, it’s been a decisive victory for the US. We don’t know what the final political outcomes will be as nothing has been agreed to.

Unless we are in a sport-fu©king and sport-killing business, there are no Tactical or operational standpoints in this operation, let alone being a victory of any sort because

A.) We went back to the same status on Feb 28, except for the thousand kills in this war
B.) You just said Trump was willing to talk about the strategic goal in an otherwise peaceful fashion.

So what do we get from this war?

-13 Servicemen Killed
-Losing 4 F-15, 2 KC-135R, 1 E-3G, 1 A-10 Thunderbolt, thousand of munitions
-Oil price peaked at $110 and is still $94 now, that's 50% increase as it was $64 before Feb 28

All of them are negative effects

The only Positive Gain is whoever made that 500 million dollars bet before the Trump Truth post and made a killing with Oil Future, that's the only positive outcome for this whole war.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

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No enrichment and HEU extraction is the red line for Trump. He also states Iran has agreed on multiple points of his 15 point plan.

The how do you explain Iran's claims that Trump was forced to accept their 10 point plan.

 

[RescueRanger]

Interesting proposal.

Go on.

Apparently that is what he meant? I am so confused...

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Unless we are in a sport-fu©king and sport-killing business, there are no Tactical or operational standpoints in this operation, let alone being a victory of any sort because

A.) We went back to the same status on Feb 28, except for the thousand kills in this war
B.) You just said Trump was willing to talk about the strategic goal in an otherwise peaceful fashion.

So what do we get from this war?

-13 Servicemen Killed
-Losing 4 F-15, 2 KC-135R, 1 E-3G, 1 A-10 Thunderbolt, thousand of munitions
-Oil price peaked at $110 and is still $94 now, that's 50% increase as it was $64 before Feb 28

All of them are negative effects

The only Positive Gain is whoever made that 500 million dollars bet before the Trump Truth post and made a killing with Oil Future, that's the only positive outcome for this whole war.

Don't try to explain reality to him.

 

[j_hungary]

As far as I'm concerned it's simply a continuation of appeasement. And that goes back before even the Obama administration.

I am not worried about the trampling of international law bits of this result.

I am more worried about how Iran sees that it can act with impunity. The next time Iran wants something, they are going to say, "screw it, let's close the strait again so we get what we want." And that's not going to stop until the world finds a way to bypass Hormuz

 

[Davey Crockett]

Is this for real?

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[Ali_Baba]

How do you mean? Jettison ordinance where? Over Europe?

Over the Atlantic would be nice.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am not worried about the trampling of international law bits of this result.

I am more worried about how Iran sees that it can act with impunity. The next time Iran wants something, they are going to say, "screw it, let's close the strait again so we get what we want." And that's not going to stop until the world finds a way to bypass Hormuz

Remind me next time when I agree with you to be more clear.

As far as I'm concerned, and you may have noted it, Iran has had the ability to close the Strait for many years. It took Trump to prove to the world that yes, they really can do that.

 

[mythbuster]

As far as I'm concerned it's simply a continuation of appeasement. And that goes back before even the Obama administration.

Appeasement ....have you lost your analytical capacity ?.... America had achieved what it wanted to achieve at a minimal cost to herself.... forget these 15 and 10 points mumbo jumbo...... bottom line......mark it a ) Iran's nuclear weapons program buried for good. B) there will be caps on missiles program. ..c) Hormuz straits will not be Iran's private lake , no taxes, period......d) Hezbollah will be history, writ of the Lebanese government over the entire country

Iran will behave like a normal country and it will be integrated into the economic system of world .

 

[j_hungary]

Remind me next time when I agree with you to be more clear.

As far as I'm concerned, and you may have noted it, Iran has had the ability to close the Strait for many years. It took Trump to prove to the world that yes, they really can do that.

Yes, that strategic ambiguity is now gone.

We kind of know they could have done it, but we don't know they can do it this effectively. I mean, look at the last 40 days, 95% of traffic blocked with less than 1 attack a day, that's minimum effort. We, including Iran, now know how this works and how effective it can be; expect more of these "attacks" to come in the next decade. I don't think this is going to end even after Trump leaves in 2029.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Appeasement ....have you lost your analytical capacity ?.... America had achieved what it wanted to achieve at a minimal cost to herself.... forget these 15 and 10 points mumbo jumbo...... bottom line......mark it a ) Iran's nuclear weapons program buried for good. B) there will be caps on missiles program. ..c) Hormuz straits will not be Iran's private lake , no taxes, period......d) Hezbollah will be history, writ of the Lebanese government over the entire country

Iran will behave like a normal country and it will be integrated into the economic system of world .

Your optimism is right up there with Raptor's. I didn't think it was possible. I commend you.

Are you certain Iran's nuclear program is buried for good? Have you forgotten we learned more about their ballistic missile capabilities than was previously known?

Unless the UN is willing to step up regarding UNCLOS and the Strait, there's little that can be done to stop Iran from threatening the closure. Don't forget who all sits on the Security Council. Do you think China and Russia are going to support a UN enforcement action? The US isn't even signatory so that is out.

 

[mythbuster]

Your optimism is right up there with Raptor's. I didn't think it was possible. I commend you.

Are you certain Iran's nuclear program is buried for good? Have you forgotten we learned more about their ballistic missile capabilities than was previously known?

Unless the UN is willing to step up regarding UNCLOS and the Strait, there's little that can be done to stop Iran from threatening the closure. Don't forget who all sits on the Security Council. Do you think China and Russia are going to support a UN enforcement action? The US isn't even signatory so that is out.

You are looking for issues and problems that at best are theoretical ...I am the only one in PDF who claimed yesterday that deal is going to take place and no further war .....Iran has been emasculated to the extent where it can't even stand on her legs without clutches.....all the Iranian hubris is buried under the zagros mountains

 

[جوبا]

Trump needs to get on a call to Israel and tell them to stop violating the ceasefire in Lebanon and stop the bombing now, otherwise it could start up again.

Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire, netanyahu already posted about it in the morning right after the announcement from DJT

 

[F-22Raptor]

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[Ali_Baba]

Lebanon is not part of the ceasefire, netanyahu already posted about it in the morning right after the announcement from DJT

It is part of it, check the X posts from Shehbaz and all.