PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions
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farooqbhai
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A supposedly automated resupply vehicle for SH15/other 155 chinese systems. Export oriented system by NORINCO.
@Panzerkiel I don't believe this was part of the original PA SH15 package, but does PA have plans to acquire these resupply vehicles.
falcon34
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I think fatah series will not end at just 400km, pak army will take the route of turkish Tayfun missiles with this series we could see Fatah 3&4 with perhapes 700 and 1000km ranges, this could relieve strategic missiles from under taking conventional strikes roles and maybe army took notice of poor performance of cms in ukraine conflict.
This could also mean an entirely new designed family of missiles suited to carry 200-500kg of conventional warhead making them more compact and less bulky for example Ghazanvi is one missile per tel for 300km range while fatah 2 is 2 missiles per tel for 400km range.
This was the last weak point in our overall conventional deterence which seems to have been addressed ( land based conventional precision strike capability ), while turkey could be helping us in realizing these ballistic missiles design ( recently signed GIDs aggrement with turkiye ), we thought we could be ones helping the turks but why would they need our help when they have khan, tayfun and cenk missiles. The agreement explicitly mentioned ballistic missiles, they have ballistic missiles with precision of 10m for 1000km range while we are just starting out on this, I think Fatah series will be further developed in coordination with the turks.
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This could also mean an entirely new designed family of missiles suited to carry 200-500kg of conventional warhead making them more compact and less bulky for example Ghazanvi is one missile per tel for 300km range while fatah 2 is 2 missiles per tel for 400km range.
This was the last weak point in our overall conventional deterence which seems to have been addressed ( land based conventional precision strike capability ), while turkey could be helping us in realizing these ballistic missiles design ( recently signed GIDs aggrement with turkiye ), we thought we could be ones helping the turks but why would they need our help when they have khan, tayfun and cenk missiles. The agreement explicitly mentioned ballistic missiles, they have ballistic missiles with precision of 10m for 1000km range while we are just starting out on this, I think Fatah series will be further developed in coordination with the turks.
@Bilal @farooqbhai @Panzerkiel @JamD
Bilal
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It’s much more than that in my opinion. We already have BMs in that range category. This is a boosted glide vehicle (at the moment super sonic). I think we are dabbling with technologies that will lead to HGV. And yes longer ranged ones too.
Listen to the CEO of GIDS explaining the boosted glide vehicle mechanism of Fatah-2.
P.S.: the details of the agreement were not given. BM technology was mentioned only as things GIDS works on, not that the agreement is about it.
falcon34
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Did u understood what he was saying at 39-43 seconds mark in the video ??, i couldn't understand it, maybe thats why i mistook to be a guided ballistic missile.
and can u elaborate on Boosted glide vehicle i looked it up and only hypersonic glide vehicles came up.
Bilal
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He describes the missile goes to upper atmosphere at which stage the propulsion rocket falls off and the “glide vehicle” (exact term he used) comes down at (what he says) super sonic speed (I am assuming high super sonic) towards to target.
Boosted glide vehicle is a mechanism exactly as described above.
falcon34
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Something like this right if i understood correctly?, Well this does explain the term unique trajectory.
Bilal
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As it gets developed further and on bigger rocket propulsion (Shaheen) and when the heat shielding and other technologies are mastered, over the next few years we can expect our HGV.
P.S.: Fatah 2 is endo-atmospheric.
farooqbhai
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And what would the stats for Pakistan be.
falcon34
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Looks alot more different than export version
@Bilal @Quwa @farooqbhai @PanzerkielAnd Also there are 2 more versions, Fatah 3&4
With 450km range (quite odd just 50km up)
with 700km range respectively.
Bilal
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I was about to tag you on the same. Lol.
Yes, Fatah-3 is odd. Also we need a range filler between Fatah-1 and 2. Like a 250-300km system (like the Fatah-2 listed on the road to the future page of GIDS).
Also to note, they carefully displayed them with artillery Instead of strategic missiles. Emphasizing it being conventional weapon system.
farooqbhai
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Fatah Modular Missile Family
Fatah 1 GMRLS (140km) Inducted
Fatah 2 GMRLS (250km) Unknown
Fatah 2 SSM (400km) Inducted
Fatah 3 SSM (450km+) Induction soon
Fatah 4 SSM (700km+) Under Dev
Fatah 1 GMRLS (140km) Inducted
Fatah 2 GMRLS (250km) Unknown
Fatah 2 SSM (400km) Inducted
Fatah 3 SSM (450km+) Induction soon
Fatah 4 SSM (700km+) Under Dev
Bilal
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Mere bhai. Details on the indigenous radar please.
Also, a separate the Fatah-2 GMRLS (250km) exists?
