Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Blain2 said:
With posts like above, as a Pakistani, all I can tell you is that kindly tell your government to not use the good offices of Pakistan for peacemaking. Go talk to the Americans directly.

Clearly, for some Iranians here, no matter what Pakistan does, it won't pass muster.

We stand by our PM's comments. He isn't the one bombing Beirut and he isn't the one who started this war. He tried to help in earnest which you clearly have no appreciation for.

Please go ahead and talk directly with Trump et-al and get terms.
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This particular chap, I have been noticing, he/she puts tweets , about Iran getting bombed by Isreal and America. Weird behaviour. I can't imagine any Pakistani with bit of sense putting Indian tweets and their claims/propaganda right bang in the middle of war with us.
 
Blain2 said:
With posts like above, as a Pakistani, all I can tell you is that kindly tell your government to not use the good offices of Pakistan for peacemaking. Go talk to the Americans directly.

Clearly, for some Iranians here, no matter what Pakistan does, it won't pass muster.

We stand by our PM's comments. He isn't the one bombing Beirut and he isn't the one who started this war. He tried to help in earnest which you clearly have no appreciation for.

Please go ahead and talk directly with Trump et-al and get terms.
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At this point the criticism is just for the sake of criticism. Lots of countries offer mediation in Global conflicts or deadlocks but that doesn't if the deal doesn't hold or one party refused to keep their word you start bashing the mediators. If some people can't even understand this basic logic then maybe their motivation for bashing mediator is coming from somewhere else. Notice how not a single person is saying anything about China, which plays a crucial part in securing the 2 week ceasefire.
 
Immortals said:
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Interesting they couldn’t do this to the US or Israel after Israel committed genocide in Lebanon today.
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Turn all your missiles towards Pakistan...
 
RescueRanger said:
You are so emotional right now that reason has left you. Take some time, go drink a glass of water and stop pushing away people who are supporting your nation with prayers and advocating Iranian talking points.

Respectfully How the hell do you know Pakistan is not doing this? What is is your obsession with Pakistan? Your government spokesperson and ambassador is in Islamabad, you think they CANT speak for themselves?

Well Pakistan offered and Iran agreed and US agreed. Your frustration is directed at the wrong people

Could trump get Israel to stop last time? You really are lashing out cluelessly

You do realize if the ME burns so do we PAKISTANIS? RIGHT? We are NOT an Island.

Thanks.
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When emotions are high, reason is thrown out the window.
 
wangdefa said:
Did AI tell you how much exploitable oil reserves China has discovered? Besides Russia providing oil and gas, it seems you've overlooked the five Central Asian countries?
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Will you guys stop saying “AI” like you are both 70 year old boomers.

AI is not a singular entity and is a quite diverse model space. The capability of the model for the task at hand and the accuracy of the data you receive is heavily reliant on:

  • Model family you are using
  • The version you are using
  • Chain of thought (CoT) reasoning level you are using vs “non thinking” models

People think because they used the free version of a garbage model like Grok that the information it spits out is the judge and executioner of all of academia.
 
dbc said:
While some of these claims contain kernels of truth regarding China's energy infrastructure, the overall conclusion that the impact of a blockade is "very small" is largely inaccurate. As of April 2026, the ongoing blockade of the Strait of Hormuz has significantly disrupted Chinese energy imports and forced the government to intervene in domestic pricing.
UN Trade and Development (UNCTAD) +1

1. Iranian Policy Toward Chinese Ships
  • The Claim: Iran did not intercept Chinese ships.
  • The Reality: While Iran has specifically targeted vessels linked to the U.S., Israel, and their allies, the broader blockade has paralyzed traffic for everyone. By March 2026, daily transits dropped from over 120 to just a handful, with many ships anchoring outside the strait to avoid the general risk of military escalation.
    farmdoc daily +2

2. Russia-China Pipeline Capacity
  • The Claim: The Russia-China pipeline can meet all of China's oil demand if NDRC restrictions are lifted.
  • The Reality: This is mathematically incorrect.
    • Current Capacity: Overland pipelines from Russia and Central Asia can supply roughly 50 million tons of oil annually, which is only about 10–15% of China’s total crude imports.
    • Total Demand: China imported approximately 11.55 million barrels per day (mbpd) in 2025. Even if Russia's 2.2 mbpd total exports to China were all piped (which they aren't), it would not cover the ~5.4 mbpd China typically imports through the Strait.
    • Policy: There is no official "20% limit" policy from the NDRC that, if removed, would allow pipelines to suddenly replace maritime flows; the limit is physical infrastructure.
      CGEP +3

3. China's Domestic Oil Reserves
  • The Claim: China is a top producer and was a net exporter in the 1990s.
  • The Reality: While China is a top producer (typically 4th or 5th globally), its consumption has skyrocketed.
    • Import Dependency: Over 70% of China's oil consumption is met by imports.
    • Strategic Reserves: China has built massive reserves, reaching approximately 1.2 billion barrels by late 2025, but this only covers about 100 days of consumption. It is a buffer, not a permanent solution to a blockade.
      War on the Rocks +4

4. Coal Refining (Coal-to-Liquids)
  • The Claim: High oil prices will trigger a massive shift to coal refining.
  • The Reality: China does have the world's most advanced Coal-to-Liquids (CTL) technology, but it cannot scale quickly enough to replace million-barrel-per-day shortfalls. CTL is capital-intensive and environmentally taxing, serving more as a niche strategic supplement than a primary oil source.
    CNBC

5. International vs. Domestic Prices
  • The Claim: International oil prices do not affect domestic prices due to export bans.
  • The Reality: This is false.
    • Price Linkage: China’s domestic refined oil pricing mechanism is directly linked to a basket of international crude prices (like Brent and Dubai).
    • 2026 Intervention: Because global prices surged past $100 per barrel in early 2026, the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) had to impose temporary "price caps" (RMB 1,160 per ton for gasoline) to protect consumers from the extreme volatility caused by the blockade.
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Let me talk about the benefits of this war for China, and you can also ask AI.

Firstly, China monopolizes the power and energy industries such as new energy vehicles, photovoltaics, drones, and robots, and the shrinking global oil industry is beneficial to China.

Secondly, the severe impact of the oil crisis on manufacturing industries in regions such as Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea is beneficial for the growth of China's manufacturing industry.

Thirdly, this war is weakening the military and economic strength of the United States. This also seriously weakens the global influence of the United States.


This war clearly benefits China more than it harms, so China has no incentive to pressure Iran. China's mediation of the war is not for China's interests, but for the interests of Iran and the world.
 
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Immortals said:
Will you guys stop saying “AI” like you are both 70 year old boomers.

AI is not a singular entity and is a quite diverse model space. The capability of the model for the task at hand and the accuracy of the data you receive is heavily reliant on:

  • Model family you are using
  • The version you are using
  • Chain of thought (CoT) reasoning level you are using vs “non thinking” models

People think because they used the free version of a garbage model like Grok that the information it spits out is the judge and executioner of all of academia.
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I agree with your point of view. In fact, I discovered early on that AI can provide baseless answers through data pollution.
 
MH.Yang said:
Let me talk about the benefits of this war for China, and you can also ask AI.

Firstly, China monopolizes the power and energy industries such as new energy vehicles, photovoltaics, drones, and robots, and the shrinking global oil industry is beneficial to China.

Secondly, the severe impact of the oil crisis on manufacturing industries in regions such as Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea is beneficial for the growth of China's manufacturing industry.

Thirdly, this war is weakening the military and economic strength of the United States. This also seriously weakens the global influence of the United States.


This war clearly benefits China more than it harms, so China has no incentive to pressure Iran. China's mediation of the war is not for China's interests, but for the interests of Iran and the world.
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You are sidestepping the refutation presented by @dbc regarding your initial assertions and redirecting the discussion to other topics.
 
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