Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

To believe that war can end through negotiation is the fantasy of those who know nothing of history. There has never been a single instance of this in human history. Negotiations are merely a ratification of the outcome on the battlefield; war ends only through the surrender of one side or the complete exhaustion of both sides and the loss of their will to continue fighting. Ceasefires agreed upon while one side still wishes to fight have been broken 100% of the time. To engage in ceasefire negotiations before the outcome has been decided on the battlefield is, in itself, the folly of ignorant people who know nothing of military history.
 
Meengla said:
NY Times on JD Vance going to Pakistan...


Weeks after Vice President JD Vance privately warned President Trump of the costs of a full-scale U.S. war with Iran, he is now leading the charge to negotiate an end to the biggest foreign policy crisis that the president has faced during his time in office.

Mr. Vance, along with Steve Witkoff, the president’s special envoy, and Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, are expected to travel to Pakistan on Friday to hold talks with the Iranians, as a cease-fire between the United States and Iran is under strain. It would be the highest-level meeting between U.S. and Iranian officials since 1979.

The stakes are enormous for Mr. Trump and for Mr. Vance, whose most high-profile assignments from Mr. Trump have involved domestic politics, most recently as the president’s “fraud czar.”

Before the war began, the vice president was planning to be heavily focused on traveling the country ahead of the midterm elections, counteracting widespread concerns over the cost of living and affordability by attacking Democrats as out of touch and politically extreme. The war has upended that messaging. An Iranian blockade around the Strait of Hormuz, a key oil route, has sent energy prices soaring.

“Knowing that this is a midterm election year, that is the biggest leverage point that the Iranians have, and they know that,” said Marc Short, who served as chief of staff to Vice President Mike Pence, Mr. Vance’s predecessor from Mr. Trump’s first term. “That creates a challenge for the president’s negotiating team.”

He added: “There’s a best-case scenario that you have successful talks, and you have a great news cycle about it. But doesn’t Iran know that they can break the terms, as they have in the past?”

Mr. Vance, 41, has stayed largely at the periphery of other high-stakes foreign policy missions, including the operation to seize Nicolás Maduro and depose him as Venezuela’s leader. He was traveling in Azerbaijan in February, when Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, delivered a presentation requesting U.S. involvement in a war with Iran.
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USA MAGA fails to realise that Witkoff and Kushner are now serious liabilities to their fundamental principles that existed prior to this war, and even prior to Trump's term. One of them only even exists as a political entity due to nepotism of the highest order. Say what you want about Trump - he is still very much a self made man compared to these leeches. Iran should explore ways to sideline these two, if they have the time and resources to do so.
 
omegalamba7xl9 said:
RULE #1
NO INDIAN ALLOWED NEAR THAT SUMMIT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM...
RULE #2
NO INDIAN ALLOWED NEAR THAT SUMMIT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM
RULE #3
FOLLOW THE RULE #1 AND RULE #2
.....
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You forgot to add.

RULE #4. GO F' YOURSELVES
 
Himalayan said:
The past 40 days have been a covert war on energy infrastructures designed with a clear strategic objective: to physically dismantle the productive capacity of every major oil and gas exporter that has shifted away from dollar settlement. The ranking list of non-petrodollar countries is, in effect, a target list.Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Iraq, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and have all been hit, directly or indirectly. Their “offense” is not only geopolitical alignment, but economic independence from the dollar.
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Notice the difference between Venezuela and Middle East.

In America continent they keep order.

In Middle East they spread destruction and mayhem. Even when they have more reliable/submissive partners.

In Venezuela they recover control.
In Hormuz strait they lose control forever.

USA is not interested in order in Eurasia anymore, but it seems Eurasians don't want to be aware of that.

Of course USA is not saying this with words but with actions.

Because this damage most of American people, and they want to keep influence in vassals to keep spreading chaos.

These actions are destinated to keep future USA elite wellness, in post peak oil and post peak every raw material world. Weakening the more the better all other evonomies.
 
BHAN85 said:
Notice the difference between Venezuela and Middle East.

In America continent they keep order.

In Middle East they spread destruction and mayhem. Even when they have more reliable/submissive partners.

In Venezuela they recover control.
In Hormuz strait they lose control forever.

USA is not interested in order in Eurasia anymore, but it seems Eurasians don't want to be aware of that.

Of course USA is not saying this with words but with actions.

Because this damage most of American people, and they want to keep influence in vassals to keep spreading chaos.

These actions are destinated to keep future USA elite wellness, in post peak oil and post peak every raw material world. Weakening the more the better all other evonomies.
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Actually they want to desperately maintain their hegemony. They see the writing on the wall
 
hasssanali8998 said:
I think he means Israelis
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1.To be honest there are many ISREALI citizens who are also US nationals...
2. Most Journalist report to Mossad or any like minded institution.
3. You keep forgetting Jared is sort of doing that job.
There is no way around it however yes at least direct ISRAEL delegation is NO NO.....
I always feel these Indians need to be shown their place.... We don't nothing to do with hinduvta..
These are ABRAHAMIC MATTERS AND UNCIRCUMCISED(JEETS) ARE NOT WELCOME...

I said a long time ago that inshallah one day will come where PAKISTAN wouldn't look and won't need to give a crap about INDIA... We are looking West and we have best of the EASTREN partners (China, Bangladesh, Srilanka)
India can go fck themselves....
Israel didn't call us RAND BUT THESE INDIAN MOTHER FKERS WILL PAY FOR THIS .... INSHALLAH
 
omegalamba7xl9 said:
RULE #1
NO INDIAN ALLOWED NEAR THAT SUMMIT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM...
RULE #2
NO INDIAN ALLOWED NEAR THAT SUMMIT IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM
RULE #3
FOLLOW THE RULE #1 AND RULE #2
.....
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Bro - stop typing in capitals - against forum rules - UNLESS you are an angry mod.
Sounds like your going to have raised blood pressure...........
 
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