PA MLRS, Self Propelled and towed artillery [BM-11, Fatah-I GMLRS, Fatah-II] - News, Updates & Discussions

RealNapster said:
I think Pakistan current emphasize on cruise missiles for F-4 and possible 1000km F-5 is too costly to mass produce in like more than 100. So why bother then if we will not be able to field them in larger numbers ? Shouldn't we be going the Iranian way and focusing more on guided rockets and missiles (SSMs) ? Only the rockets will be able to carry larger warheads for longer distances in a cheaper and fast fashion.


And also, should Pakistan rocket force also start looking into 2-3 underground missile storage bases to prevent destruction of these assets in any pre-emptive situation attack ?
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Irans spent most of its military budget into missiles , drones , building sites and supporting malitias .. while we here have to support a modern airforce , navy and army with a smaller budget , protect our nukes , build facilities and invest large amounts of money into COIN ops . So them being in smaler number is not that big of a problem.

The underground facilities you are taking about are under SPD and should remain under them , they are very professional in where they build them and in what quantity.
SPD's black budget is probably being put to good use .

What we should do for ARFC is dispersion of assets , dress the TELs as civilian trucking , make them move on our large motorway network (i wish sukkur to Hyderabad becomes operational quickly ) , make them stand in petrol pumps , motorway interchanges etc , will be hellhole to track them.
 
kimjongun said:
Irans spent most of its military budget into missiles , drones , building sites and supporting malitias .. while we here have to support a modern airforce , navy and army with a smaller budget , protect our nukes , build facilities and invest large amounts of money into COIN ops . So them being in smaler number is not that big of a problem.

The underground facilities you are taking about are under SPD and should remain under them , they are very professional in where they build them and in what quantity.
SPD's black budget is probably being put to good use .

What we should do for ARFC is dispersion of assets , dress the TELs as civilian trucking , make them move on our large motorway network (i wish sukkur to Hyderabad becomes operational quickly ) , make them stand in petrol pumps , motorway interchanges etc , will be hellhole to track them.
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India have many layers of air defence systems and they are further investing in them. Knowledgeable members here on pdf are of the opinion that Fatah-1 were largely intercepted and didn't had much devastation on India side even though we fired tens of them. LMs like sarkash will do good but a 50 kg warhead can only achieve very little. It can not destroy or damage hardened aircraft shelters, damage runways or destroy protected structures.

So it is of the utmost importance that we can fire a large number of cheap fast and long range rockets. India can easily throw 100+ cruise missiles on us because it can afford it. But can we ? No. Cruise missiles are expensive. Yes iran do use more than 80% of its budget on missiles and drones but then again it have more than 5000+ missiles. We are not asking for that much but atleast if we are developing a completely new missile system under a separate rocket force, we should be able to fire more than 100 of each type or else it doesn't make sense to go into this much work.

And yes I know SPD would operate underground storages for strategic units but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about the new rocket force. Where will it place all the F1/2/3/4/5 ? I think it should also have 2-3 strategically placed storage bases to prevent damage incase of any pre-emptiness attack.
 
RealNapster said:
India have many layers of air defence systems and they are further investing in them. Knowledgeable members here on pdf are of the opinion that Fatah-1 were largely intercepted and didn't had much devastation on India side even though we fired thens of them. LMs like sarkash will do good but a 50km warhead can only achieve very little. It can not destroy or damage hardened aircraft shelters, damage runways or destroy protected structures.

So it is of the utmost importance that we can fire a large number of cheap fast and long range rockets. India can easily throw 100+ cruise missiles on us because it can afford it. But can we ? No. Cruise missiles are expensive.

And yes I know SPD would operate underground storages for strategic units but I wasn't talking about them. I was talking about the new rocket force. Where will it place all the F1/2/3/4/5 ? I think it should also have 2-3 strategically placed storage bases to prevent damage incase of any pre-emptiness attack.
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The thing with F1 is that they have a very simple parabolic/ballistic trajectory and easier to intercept then such say the F2 . It is true that most of them got intercepted and you know why.

LMs are not to be used against Hardened targets like HAS , runways or concrete structures , there main purpose is to deplete expensive interceptors , take out radars and other systems . A HE warhead of 50kg is enough to damage a radar array....

IMO we should continue the production of F1s so that larger volleys can be launched to deplete interceptors . And Personally underground shelters are too costly for conventional warheads , dispertion prevents decapacitation .
And till now we dont know much about how the ARFC is going to be structured or will it have independence , budget allocations etc etc.
 
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@Panzerkiel if we r testing a weapon of this sort I would prefer to get know from this forum than those goddamn bots of twitter.
So do let us know
 
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@Panzerkiel if we r testing a weapon of this sort I would prefer to get know from this forum than those goddamn bots of twitter.
So do let us know
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The bots on twitter tend to spew 90% bs mixed in with maybe one thing they heard accurate. As for this forum, collectively and almost unconsciously prefer to find out the 2 things we know and mix them with 30-40% BS so you cannot tell what is the real deal...
 
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@Panzerkiel if we r testing a weapon of this sort I would prefer to get know from this forum than those goddamn bots of twitter.
So do let us know
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Lolz....if you might have have followed/ deciphered this forum a bit more closely, you might have known about this development several months ago...:ROFLMAO:
 
falcon34 said:
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@Panzerkiel if we r testing a weapon of this sort I would prefer to get know from this forum than those goddamn bots of twitter.
So do let us know
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The video featured in this tweet originates from a Chinese military model factory and does not depict the actual PLARF "DF-17" hypersonic ballistic missile. There are many such factories in China. They produce scale models of military equipment that are highly realistic.
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Panzerkiel said:
Lolz....if you might have have followed/ deciphered this forum a bit more closely, you might have known about this development several months ago...:ROFLMAO:
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sir do you mean your post in which you said first we will import then we build in pakistan ? some thing like that
 
Oscar said:
The bots on twitter tend to spew 90% bs mixed in with maybe one thing they heard accurate. As for this forum, collectively and almost unconsciously prefer to find out the 2 things we know and mix them with 30-40% BS so you cannot tell what is the real deal...
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100% accurate. I'm glad we've started rubbishing most Twitter nonsense over the years.
 
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