Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Psyko70]

I think its quite fascinating that we understand that our enemy is richer, stronger and heavier in terms of force. However, I would suggest we dont make it a fashion just to look cool that we talk like we are just sitting without pants on.

Pakistan military has changed a lot and improved. SSBN or not we have way better navy than whatever that was in 71. We have new rocket force, while there is claim we have quantity less than 50 for each type of missile, this is pure stupidity to say.

If anyone claims that he knows someone in higher ranks (retired or not) and he/she says he knows about this and that. First of all that is a treason to even talk about openly in a forum where 90% viewers are guest from Everywhere. So I believe 10% of what is true and what is not.

We did well in 19 and 25 and yet people talk like all was failure, which is false a lie you want to showoff with.


If we did poor US would not have come to save India. If it was other way around US would have had never intervened.

its just not about how many target got hit, but which blow had the meanest blow.

 

[kimjongun]

If TBMs and engineers from China [ to speed things up ] can be employed to work under the mountains of Balochistan, between quetta and gwadar, located more than 1000 km from the eastern border, you can have a credible underground Base of tunnels of 100s of km, with a few years, ready for an unlimited number of counter strikes.

Basically a Whole underground city.

As of April 2026, China's latest and most advanced tunnel boring machines (TBMs) are operating at record-breaking speeds for mega-projects, with key metrics reaching up to 18 meters per day for large-diameter under-river tunnels.

I think we have enough knowledge on how to dig up tunnels , mostly modern miltary tunnels are built by traditional destructive methods instead of the more expensive TBMs..

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Optical216]

The gift that keeps on giving.

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never allow them to use our airspace again! they might crash and destroy the infrastructure here too!

 

[kimjongun]

The sab acha chal rha hai gang should watch these conferences to see how the enemy is preparing to fight wars and use AI to take decisions decide deployment strategies and what not.Watch the indian navy part..

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[Optical216]

The sab acha chal rha hai gang should watch these conferences to see how the enemy is preparing to fight wars and use AI to take decisions decide deployment strategies and what not.Watch the indian navy part..

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Actually we are ahead in the game of AI it is them catching up. But we mustnt get complacent

 

[kimjongun]

Actually we are ahead in the game of AI it is them catching up. But we mustnt get complacent

Can you explain how are we ahead in the AI game??
I havent read any piece of info regarding AI being used by the services except maybe PAF..or were you being sarcastic

 

[Watandar]

The sab acha chal rha hai gang should watch these conferences to see how the enemy is preparing to fight wars and use AI to take decisions decide deployment strategies and what not.Watch the indian navy part..

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This is scary. The Israelis and the US have both used AI-based targeting systems that invariably kill far more civilians then necessary. Both countries then claim it was the AI that was at fault , not the governments. Indians are likely to copy this tactic.

 

[RocketLaw]

India's new War against his own people - Manipur

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[Optical216]

This is scary. The Israelis and the US have both used AI-based targeting systems that invariably kill far more civilians then necessary. Both countries then claim it was the AI that was at fault , not the governments. Indians are likely to copy this tactic.

Inshallah all their plans may fail

 

[Kharral]

If TBMs and engineers from China [ to speed things up ] can be employed to work under the mountains of Balochistan, between quetta and gwadar, located more than 1000 km from the eastern border, you can have a credible underground Base of tunnels of 100s of km, with a few years, ready for an unlimited number of counter strikes.

Basically a Whole underground city.

As of April 2026, China's latest and most advanced tunnel boring machines (TBMs) are operating at record-breaking speeds for mega-projects, with key metrics reaching up to 18 meters per day for large-diameter under-river tunnels.

One Major lesson for us Post 2025 is underground missile & air bases on the western side of indus.

 

[Oscar]

EXACTLY!!!!!.........Still have no idea if Pakistan actually shot down several advanced french made indian rafale fighter jets during operation sindoor (may 2025).............

That is a VERY cope and BHAKTORA type response and not being introspective.
Better to not become the enemy in mentality instead of assuming incompetence all the time.

 

[Oscar]

I think its quite fascinating that we understand that our enemy is richer, stronger and heavier in terms of force. However, I would suggest we dont make it a fashion just to look cool that we talk like we are just sitting without pants on.

Pakistan military has changed a lot and improved. SSBN or not we have way better navy than whatever that was in 71. We have new rocket force, while there is claim we have quantity less than 50 for each type of missile, this is pure stupidity to say.

If anyone claims that he knows someone in higher ranks (retired or not) and he/she says he knows about this and that. First of all that is a treason to even talk about openly in a forum where 90% viewers are guest from Everywhere. So I believe 10% of what is true and what is not.

We did well in 19 and 25 and yet people talk like all was failure, which is false a lie you want to showoff with.


If we did poor US would not have come to save India. If it was other way around US would have had never intervened.

its just not about how many target got hit, but which blow had the meanest blow.

The mistake is taking ANY EXTREME position. Both 19 and 25 you did NOTHING Extraordinary in terms of how you planned and also made mistakes in executing your enemy just made a LOT MORE MISTAKES.

If you SOLE RELIANCE is on MISTAKES then it is the WORST POSSIBLE MENTALITY to have.
You train your pilots to fight 3 to 1 from day 1 specifically because you are expecting to be outnumbered regardless. Then you figure out what to do to enhance capabilities and tactics within those constraints AND YOU ASSUME YOU ALSO HAVE INCOMPETENCE/ERRORS regardless of how much you claim and hope to have common standards across the force.

Your Army trains for rapid blocking operations to stun enemy ops precisely because it understands the momentum constraints your much much bigger opponent has.
Yet in 71 you nearly had a 1:1 ratio in the west and you still made serious mistakes - in Kargil you got nearly wiped out due to poor execution and control of a plan - and I dont even want to talk about the disasters you have had with losses and so on against supposedly ragtag elements within your own territory only because your top was assuming "this is easy - we can take losses".

If anything the army has shown great prowess in maneuver warfare and historically better at utilizing indirect fire than India(despite having better equipment) to the extent that a few years ago when India supposedly launched massive mortar barrages a lot of them were found to be much less accurate and effective than your own responses (@Panzerkiel happy to be corrected).

Have you achieved this to the best of your capabilities? are you certain of it?
وَأَعِدُّوا لَهُمْ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَمِنْ رِبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِنْ دُونِهِمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ

اور ان کے مقابلے میں جتنی قوت اور جنگی گھوڑوں کی رباطت کے طاقت ہو سکلے کرو تاکہ اللہ کے دشمن اور تمہارے دشمن اور ان کے علاوہ دوسرے لوگوں کو ڈراؤ جن کو تم نہیں جانتے مگر اللہ ان کو جانتا ہے

If not, then don't dance in your achievement of shooting 7 planes down as proof for the next engagement

 

[Psyko70]

The mistake is taking ANY EXTREME position. Both 19 and 25 you did NOTHING Extraordinary in terms of how you planned and also made mistakes in executing your enemy just made a LOT MORE MISTAKES.

If you SOLE RELIANCE is on MISTAKES then it is the WORST POSSIBLE MENTALITY to have.
You train your pilots to fight 3 to 1 from day 1 specifically because you are expecting to be outnumbered regardless. Then you figure out what to do to enhance capabilities and tactics within those constraints AND YOU ASSUME YOU ALSO HAVE INCOMPETENCE/ERRORS regardless of how much you claim and hope to have common standards across the force.

Your Army trains for rapid blocking operations to stun enemy ops precisely because it understands the momentum constraints your much much bigger opponent has.
Yet in 71 you nearly had a 1:1 ratio and you made serious mistakes - in Kargil you got nearly wiped out due to poor execution and control of a plan - and I dont even want to talk about the disasters you have had with losses and so on against supposedly ragtag elements within your own territory only because your top was assuming "this is easy - we can take losses".

If anything the army has shown great prowess in maneuver warfare and historically better at utilizing indirect fire than India(despite having better equipment) to the extent that a few years ago when India supposedly launched massive mortar barrages a lot of them were found to be much less accurate and effective than your own responses (@Panzerkiel happy to be corrected).

Have you achieved this to the best of your capabilities? are you certain of it?
وَأَعِدُّوا لَهُمْ مَا اسْتَطَعْتُمْ مِنْ قُوَّةٍ وَمِنْ رِبَاطِ الْخَيْلِ تُرْهِبُونَ بِهِ عَدُوَّ اللَّهِ وَعَدُوَّكُمْ وَآخَرِينَ مِنْ دُونِهِمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَهُمُ اللَّهُ يَعْلَمُهُمْ

اور ان کے مقابلے میں جتنی قوت اور جنگی گھوڑوں کی رباطت کے طاقت ہو سکلے کرو تاکہ اللہ کے دشمن اور تمہارے دشمن اور ان کے علاوہ دوسرے لوگوں کو ڈراؤ جن کو تم نہیں جانتے مگر اللہ ان کو جانتا ہے

If not, then don't dance in your achievement of shooting 7 planes down as proof for the next engagement

When you explain this way then Our military is ill performing continuously or not as it supposed to be. You and many senior members share same view I get it. With my limited intelligence and of course less knowledge then you and many senior members.

Yes in 71 and 98 and in 84 we had one of greatest defeats but now its not same as before and Pakistan is faring better. To me it is, yes you can say your opinion dont matter. But I have also spent being civilian 25 years in PDF and my views are appreciated by many so I expect that many also believe post 2000 we have had good performance. That is why I am saying mistakes of past have made us better, not up to PDF senior members expectations.

Your view is very much 1 sided and you deny the performance of Pakistan military in 19 and 25 war just because of past wars you are still believing we did nothing extraordinary this time as well. we are a poor nation with so many problems, the performance PAF gave was perfect and Pakistan military in Kashmir did great as well. with limited resources our navy did enough for India to not think about sending Indian aircraft carrier. Otherwise Indians always wet day dream of sending vikrant or vikramaditya. So my friend, a respectable senior friend for civilians like me without blind faith and over obsession I believe we did fare well enough it was a fair response if not extraordinary.

My uncles have been in army and from them I came to know we are too good in different aspects for our budget and economical size. So I have good faith.
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I could be wrong but this is where this forum discussion comes, to make civilian people of Pakistan aware logically.

Between I am still confused why ceasefire happened in 25 May conflict ? Unfortunately no one can answer that and everyone is just speculating. Maybe then my eyes open if we are still ill prepared. Especially im worried our navy wont last barrages of ashm. Army and Air force are adequately prepared if not Well.​

 

[kimjongun]

When you explain this way then Our military is ill performing continuously or not as it supposed to be. You and many senior members share same view I get it. With my limited intelligence and of course less knowledge then you and many senior members.

Yes in 71 and 98 and in 84 we had one of greatest defeats but now its not same as before and Pakistan is faring better. To me it is, yes you can say your opinion dont matter. But I have also spent being civilian 25 years in PDF and my views are appreciated by many so I expect that many also believe post 2000 we have had good performance. That is why I am saying mistakes of past have made us better, not up to PDF senior members expectations.

Your view is very much 1 sided and you deny the performance of Pakistan military in 19 and 25 war just because of past wars you are still believing we did nothing extraordinary this time as well. we are a poor nation with so many problems, the performance PAF gave was perfect and Pakistan military in Kashmir did great as well. with limited resources our navy did enough for India to not think about sending Indian aircraft carrier. Otherwise Indians always wet day dream of sending vikrant or vikramaditya. So my friend, a respectable senior friend for civilians like me without blind faith and over obsession I believe we did fare well enough it was a fair response if not extraordinary.

My uncles have been in army and from them I came to know we are too good in different aspects for our budget and economical size. So I have good faith.
​

I could be wrong but this is where this forum discussion comes, to make civilian people of Pakistan aware logically.

Between I am still confused why ceasefire happened in 25 May conflict ? Unfortunately no one can answer that and everyone is just speculating. Maybe then my eyes open if we are still ill prepared. Especially im worried our navy wont last barrages of ashm. Army and Air force are adequately prepared if not Well.​

In my understanding ,

i think he meant how the mentality of the top brass is and what blunders occurred in those wars , and how we have not achieved the best of our capabilities..

IMO every pakistani knows india is bigger and stronger force wise but we have had a good amount of fights with it havent we ? an in them did we tried our absolute hardest or did our planners prepared for things which were to come and did we learnt from those conflicts? Learning from your mistakes is good practice but learning solely from you mistakes and not looking at whole picture is not a good thing..

PAF did brilliantly in downing indian jets in may but taking that sole scenario into the next engagement would be deffo wrong from PAF right? PAF would have to do more then that and within its constraints which the PAF knows i think better then we do..