Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

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If I were to speculate how this war could end, these might be the final terms:

a) Iran will not pursue nuclear weapons - US win

b) Uranium can be enriched for purely civilian purposes - Iran win

c) Highly enriched uranium will not need to be handed over to the US or transferred out of the country, but will be kept under an international watchdog - slight US win

d) Iran will stop blocking the Straits of Hormuz, but might get some beneficial arrangement on the guarantees from the US and China - Mixed, more US win

e) Comprehensive ceasefire between Iran and the US, Lebanon and Israel will be included; as well as the GCC countries - Mixed advantage

f) Ceasefire will most probably not include the Houthis in Yemen, or Palestinian occupied territories - Israeli win

g) Iran will not be required to cease support to Hezbollah and Houthis, but Israel can go after them any time - Mixed advantage

h) Iranian missile program remains intact - Iran win

i) IRI regime/IRGC stays in power - Iran win

j) Unfreezing of frozen Iranian assets - Iran win

There will probably be some sort of guarantee that the US/Israel don’t attack Iran again as well.
These are all highly optimistic wish list, none of these will come to fruition. Israel is on a suicidal mission and there's no stopping it now since their investment into Trump is a do or die hail moses gambit.
 
China did not “backstab” Iran.
Iran was never an ally of China. People forget the Iranian governments “nEither east or west” policy.

Iran even recently rebuffed Russia who wanted closer denfese ties and wnted to export high end air defense equipment.

The Iranian governments bad policies are catching up to them. You become mortal enemies with the most powerful force on earth. And stubbornly refuse to build nukes to protect the country”s sovereignty?

You become so arrogant that you believe you dont need any help or allies?
Even today mohsen rezai is almost screaming the irgc position which was to continue fighting. Rezai also previously said something along the lines of “ we want nukes but there is a fatwa against it”
Low iq mullahs are going to destroy the Iranian nation and people with their stupidity
You are a clear-headed person.

Developing alliances requires the joint efforts of two countries. When a person does not need help, arrogance leads them to stop developing relationships or even destroy them. When they need help, they expect others to provide it selflessly, which is not conducive to establishing friendly and cooperative relationships.

On March 27, 2021, China and Iran signed the "China-Iran Comprehensive Cooperation Plan," which outlined 25 years of cooperation. However, it was not until October 2025 that Vahid Yazdanian, head of Iran's Space Research Center, confirmed at the opening ceremony of "World Space Week" that Iran was formally negotiating with China to fully adopt the Beidou system, with plans to complete key area switching within 1 to 2 years and start developing domestic navigation satellites within 3 to 5 years. Why not abandon the US GPS during these four and a half years?

On March 10, 2023, China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia jointly issued a statement announcing that Saudi Arabia and Iran had restored diplomatic relations, and the three countries expressed their willingness to make every effort to strengthen international and regional peace and security.

The invasion of Iran by the Epstein coalition made Iran's strikes on all US military bases legitimate. However, on April 13, 2026, Iran's permanent representative to the United Nations formally submitted a letter to the UN Secretary-General, explicitly requesting war compensation from five Middle Eastern countries: Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Jordan. I have no intention of interfering in Iran's internal affairs, but Iran negotiating outside the China-Saudi-Iran framework and openly demanding compensation at the UN is an act that undermines the joint statement involving China.

We have strict restrictions on the export of offensive weapons. However, air defense weapons, phased-array radar, and anti-drone systems can be procured normally. We support all countries in legally defending their nation. I have not seen Iran equipped with these defensive weapons. I know Iran lacks funds; within the China-Iran cooperation framework, China provides funding and technology, and Iran provides energy. Iran can adopt the same approach to procure weapons. From the signing of the cooperation agreement in 2021 until the invasion of Iran by the Epstein coalition, there were five years, yet I have not seen any actions by Iran to strengthen air defense firepower.

I will end with a sentence from "The Three-Body Problem": Weakness and ignorance are not obstacles to survival; arrogance is.
 
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Art of war, Donald Tsu: If you do not know what you are doing, the enemy would not know what you are doing either.

A liar begins by deceiving himself
 
If I were to speculate how this war could end, these might be the final terms:

a) Iran will not pursue nuclear weapons - US win

b) Uranium can be enriched for purely civilian purposes - Iran win

c) Highly enriched uranium will not need to be handed over to the US or transferred out of the country, but will be kept under an international watchdog - slight US win

d) Iran will stop blocking the Straits of Hormuz, but might get some beneficial arrangement on the guarantees from the US and China - Mixed, more US win

e) Comprehensive ceasefire between Iran and the US, Lebanon and Israel will be included; as well as the GCC countries - Mixed advantage

f) Ceasefire will most probably not include the Houthis in Yemen, or Palestinian occupied territories - Israeli win

g) Iran will not be required to cease support to Hezbollah and Houthis, but Israel can go after them any time - Mixed advantage

h) Iranian missile program remains intact - Iran win

i) IRI regime/IRGC stays in power - Iran win

j) Unfreezing of frozen Iranian assets - Iran win

There will probably be some sort of guarantee that the US/Israel don’t attack Iran again as well.
Given the current situation, I pessimistically believe that this war will continue.

On April 15, the U.S. Congress voted on a bill to limit Trump's war powers. The Senate vote result was 47 in favor, 52 against, and one Republican senator abstained, so the bill did not pass.

This is the fourth time the Senate has rejected a bill proposed by Democrats to limit the president's war powers since the U.S. launched military action against Iran at the end of February.
 
There seems to be the thinking that yapping "Death to America/Israel" brought this war. That is not true. That slogan has been in use from 47 years with no major reaction from America/Israel. Only when HEU crossed 60% (and/or October 7, 2023 events) did Israel wake up, smell the coffee and went about the business of preventing further deaths. Words may be irritating but do not usually lead to major wars.
Nothing changed in 2023, it's the same Israel that has been excessively violent and oppressive against Palestinians, Lebanese and everyone else in the region for the past 100 years. When anyone fights back , the Israelis cry foul.
 
Given the current situation, I pessimistically believe that this war will continue.

On April 15, the U.S. Congress voted on a bill to limit Trump's war powers. The Senate vote result was 47 in favor, 52 against, and one Republican senator abstained, so the bill did not pass.

This is the fourth time the Senate has rejected a bill proposed by Democrats to limit the president's war powers since the U.S. launched military action against Iran at the end of February.

I'm hoping the Senate changes hands in November.
 
Given the current situation, I pessimistically believe that this war will continue.

On April 15, the U.S. Congress voted on a bill to limit Trump's war powers. The Senate vote result was 47 in favor, 52 against, and one Republican senator abstained, so the bill did not pass.

This is the fourth time the Senate has rejected a bill proposed by Democrats to limit the president's war powers since the U.S. launched military action against Iran at the end of February.
Lol, so much for the democracy beacon of the world. The mad orange man so elected is literally free to do whatever he wants to wage any wars and he is accountable to no one. How ironic, they always complain about the dictatorship in China.
 
Iranian friends here need to realize that there is no stopping this isreali war against Iran. Yes their will be pauses, but no permanent solution. Iranians need to take full advantage of the break in the hostilities and rearm themselves to the best of their ability.
 
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Reminds me of a media event: So Margarete Thatcher became a successful UK Prime Minister in the 80s and in a media event, reporters told her something like 'You are not that good. It is your advisors who are good'. To which she replied 'That maybe but who chose those advisors?'
President Trump has no excuses to make for not only this war but all of his actions in his first term and also in his second term including quite possibly alienating Canada for good. You know the old 'The Buck Stops Here' adage.
If Trump is wise, he may get out of this war with Pakistan's help to declare a fake victory for America while he would be genuinely conceding to Iran in the background--kind of like the Kennedy forcing the Soviets to supposedly backoff during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
IMO, there is no doubt that Iran has come out ahead and I am not surprised by that. You can see my posts before this conflict started in this thread.
 
There seems to be the thinking that yapping "Death to America/Israel" brought this war. That is not true. That slogan has been in use from 47 years with no major reaction from America/Israel. Only when HEU crossed 60% (and/or October 7, 2023 events) did Israel wake up, smell the coffee and went about the business of preventing further deaths. Words may be irritating but do not usually lead to major wars.

Nothing to do with HEU.
I believe the door to this war opened when the Gazans attacked Israel in October 2023 and the resistance by the Gazans, Hezbollah and the Assad regime greatly diminished by the combined NATO/Israeli actions. The fall of those three resistances happened within an amazingly short period of just a few months right after Trump won the Nov. 2024 elections.
In short, the Iranian 'First Line of Defense', to quote Trita Parsi, fell very quickly and Iran itself became vulnerable and Netanyahu even said 'a unique opportunity' in early 2025 with his man Trump in office. Finally a total Israeli stooge in power who would directly attack Iran--and Netanyahu wasn't wrong because in June 2025 America launched the first frontal attack on Iran.
The HEUs had been around for quite a while before early 2025. I believe it was the combination of Trump as the POTUS along with Netanyahu as the PM at the same time which caused this war and maybe may cause even more wars in the Middle East.
 
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Lol out of context completely. This is arab and Omani tradition. The sultan wants to escort the guest back to the door, hence he is avoiding the handshake so the meeting cannot conclude, but the guest (Emarati) in this case insists to shake hands so he doesn’t have to walk back to the gate as he is elder. This is similar to Arabs/Pakistanis fighting to pay bill for food in restaurants for their friends.
 
Lol, so much for the democracy beacon of the world. The mad orange man so elected is literally free to do whatever he wants to wage any wars and he is accountable to no one. How ironic, they always complain about the dictatorship in China.
When Congress fails to put roadblocks on the war, it automatically implies they support it, even if passively. At least they do not oppose it vigorously. The vote was quite close, so it is not a full-throated support. Like for example, in 1991, 2001 or 2003.
 
Nothing to do with HEU.
I believe the door to this war opened when the Gazans attacked Israel in October 2023 and the resistance by the Gazans, Hezbollah and the Assad regime greatly diminished by the combined NATO/Israeli actions. The fall of those three resistances happened within an amazingly short period of just a few months right after Trump won the Nov. 2024 elections.
In short, the Iranian 'First Line of Defense', to quote Trita Parsi, fell very quickly and Iran itself became vulnerable and Netanyahu even said 'a unique opportunity' in early 2025 with his man Trump in office. Finally a total Israeli stooge in power who would directly attack Iran--and Netanyahu wasn't wrong because in June 2025 America launched the first frontal attack on Iran.
The HEUs had been around for quite a while before early 2025. I believe it was the combination of Trump as the POTUS along with Netanyahu as the PM at the same time which caused this war and maybe may cause even more wars in the Middle East.
While there is no way to prove it, I believe it would have been much, much harder (not impossible) for Netanyahu to make the sale in February 2026 based on events from October 2023. Opposite is also likely true. HEU alone without October 2023 would have been much harder sell. It is like fuel and oxygen; both are needed for an explosion.
 

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