Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Lion]

I'm a bit skeptical about these interceptions because according to a very credible member @Lion , The Indian AD failed to intercept most of the Munitions launched from our side. The problem was the inaccuracy of the missiles.

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Just because they weren’t intercepted by hard-kill means doesn’t indicate that there weren’t Indian soft-kill systems that lead to the missiles going down or missing, there were definitely Pakistani missiles intercepted by Indian AD too, but we had enough video evidence to see at least a good chunk landed on the ground, even if they didn’t hit anything. PA didn’t launch many missiles in the first place.

 

[Lion]

You're trying too hard. Let's dial it down a bit. Fatah-2 was launched. Pakistan didnot disclose it's launch. It got intercepted. DGISPR clearly admitted it's usage ( see my post above) F-2 was used.

DGISPR sahab at 18:55 disagrees with you about F-2 use. Either he is misinformed or you're downplaying the F-2 usage.

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I also do not believe F2 was used, the video Indians are claiming to show an F2 being intercepted near Haryana was likely an Indian SAM intercepting another Indian SAM.

 

[Lion]

Frankly, army conducts the most rigorous firing of all three services.

I am a witness to this.

Every single weapon in the army inventory and the variety of ammunition used with these systems is fired extensively and recorded for various parameters. Tanks, Artillery, SAMs, AAD, small arms (and now increasingly guided rockets and tactical/strategic missiles) have been and are being tested. Perhaps we see less of the SSMs being fired and that is because most of these systems have been fired and operationalized with ASF and now only require incremental enhancements. Second, it seems Pakistan has not had the need to test these systems frequently.

PN is introducing a new capability to its fleet for the very first time (ballistic AShM) so it will require more testing.

The PA does not always announce missile tests. Case in point; Officially the Ababeel has only been tested twice. The real number is quite a bit higher, all of them within the last 4 years.

 

[Oscar]

The PA does not always announce missile tests. Case in point; Officially the Ababeel has only been tested twice. The real number is quite a bit higher, all of them within the last 4 years.

A lot of the projects are unfortunately within schrodinger's realm.
They are tested, under development, deployed and just a fake idea at the same time.

 

[Aziqbal]

So SMASH is a hypersonic ballistic anti ship missiles could be armed with nuclear warhead ?

This would mean the navy now has a surface warship that can provide second strike ?

Babur 3 being the first

Maybe all 3 arms of the navy should be able to use nukes including naval aviation

 

[Oscar]

PA didn’t launch many missiles in the first place.

They were also used "afterthought" against more in depth targets in terms of responses and not as part of overall offensive plans which relied heavily on PAF for that effort(which showed its own limitations from weapons effectiveness).

 

[RealNapster]

Just like Iran in an event of an all out war, Pakistan will have to be resilient enough to take punches yet use its lethal weapons to its maximum effectiveness against the enemy. We will have stockpile constraints, so we will have to conserve and select our targets carefully. The problem is that Pakistan does not have the strategic depth in terms of geography which countries like Iran have.

Building defence infrastructure in 150-200 km of Pakistan - Iran/Afghanistan border is one option. Because we know if there was any possible resustance/attack from these countries, we will be able to counter that and prevent damage to our military infrastructure. Because any conflict with iran will never increase to a point where they actively attack our military infrastructure. And Afghanistan do not have such capabilities.

So we need to built more weapons manufacturing plants in KPK and Baluchistan.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

The Fatah 3 test was named the Abdali Weapon system , i think we might see it in the parade on 14 aug , the officers in the test vid had all caps with Abdali written on it , and its TEL looked unique like similar to the frontal arm of the himars truck...

So difference between Fatah 2 and 3 is just 50km?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I don't why the PA is such a care free arm, PAF has hit it's targets, PN is taking it seriously whilst PA, it just keeps do it once forget about it till next war

The quality of our strategists is low. I hate saying it at all the time but it's rare speaking to a Pakistani in relatively important positions that sounds like he's there because of merit based selection. Lot of them still rely on huge assumptions, overconfidence, and underestimation of the enemy with weak knowledge. Sometimes feels like talking to a slightly more literate village idiot.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Also If I'm not wrong there are two missiles/rockets that have overlapping names.

The Fattah 2 rocket is an extended range version of the first while there is the Fatah 2 ballistic missile.

It's possible they used the first, not the aeroballistic missile.

 

[falcon34]

Also If I'm not wrong there are two missiles/rockets that have overlapping names.

The Fattah 2 rocket is an extended range version of the first while there is the Fatah 2 ballistic missile.

It's possible they used the first, not the aeroballistic missile.

@Panzerkiel does this one exists

 

[Panzerkiel]

@Panzerkiel does this one exists
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I'll not confirm the specs of course... But yes, the thing exists.

 

[Maarkhoor]

I'll not confirm the specs of course... But yes, the name exists.

Sir system itself exist.

 

[falcon34]

I'll not confirm the specs of course... But yes, the thing exists.

Was that thing Fired during the May skirmish

 

[Maarkhoor]

Update: Pakistan issue another NOTAM for 20 to 24th Apri.