Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

The Orangeman is sorta a history buff he often utilizes specific, cherry-picked historical figures and narratives to shape his political rhetoric and decisions and I'm pretty sure he's studied Operation Linebacker II and how it got North Vietnam to the negotiation table making a deal with US. I think if bombing restarts we're going to see something like this where in the end whatever is left of regime will comeback to make a deal.
And that is my armchair psychoanalysis of the Orangeman's thinking. He takes disrespect personal

You are not the only one. Sane, anti-war people like Scott Horton also said something like that some weeks ago. With Trump, Iran is not dealing with a rational person. Trump is a dictator with almost unchallenged power and authority especially about foreign policy. And I believe Pakistanis are trying very very hard for Iran to make a sensible compromise and live to fight another day. Pakistan was a nuclear power when 9/11 happened, and had no role in the 9/11 attacks and in fact tried to help the Americans to target Bin Laden in 1998. But after 9/11, Pakistanis swallowed their pride, dumped the Mullah Umer regime of Afghanistan and today's Pakistan is militarily, diplomatically and even economically much stronger than it was on 9/11. The journey to today's Pakistan wasn't easy as we all know the carnage Pakistan has faced in the last 25 years.

 

[Abdul q]

The same Saudis who threatened to kick all Pakistani workers out of Saudi, demanded loan payment back ASAP, only because we wanted to attend Malaysian Summit, they also gave billions of funding to spread extremism in Pakistan and Afghanistan, spread extremist literature.

I got banned for saying our national policy of beggars can’t be choosers.. the wise words of wise PM

 

[Lulldapull]

Gulfies can't afford to lose Pakistan and Pakistan can't afford to lose Iran but Pakistan can afford to lose the Gulfies. It would be a big hit to lose the Gulfies due to the remittances but Pakistan would manage in some kind of Economic Martial Law.
Anyway, this is all hypothetical.

Iran has destroyed them already! The US and Israel threw them under the bus. Abbu-G humreeka couldn’t save its own 19 bases from destruction.

It’s just an epic US defeat.

 

[Immortals]

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[Meengla]

It's a world money laundering organization.

UN has been much more since 1945 than just the UNSC Vetoes abuses. But that's for another discussion.

 

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Netanyahu meets a soldier with a minor injury

They still look evil and wicked in such a truncated and miserable state. Death to Zionism and its supporters.

 

[Meengla]

I don't think it is, as far as I know Irani advance team is already in isb.

There are plenty of Doomsdayers in this thread paying too much attention to the Tweets from both sides. No American VP is going to fly to Pakistan when an Iranian delegation would not be there and all indications are that negotiations are going to happen and even may lead to something big.

This Pakistani-American affiliated with the Republican party has some interesting, if very rosy picture, of the events coming up. Every Pakistani should hope he is right! Short video and English captions available.

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[Immortals]

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[Master Chief]

Ahh what a fall from grace...

Once an empire of the 7 seas now begging one of its former colony for the safe passage of merchant ships.

A wise man once noted: the sun never sets on the British Empire...

...because God doesn't trust them in the dark.

 

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someone should tell them Iran won't be there

 

[Master Chief]

All these memes coming from Iran about Orangeman are cute and funny and maybe it makes some or a lot feel good like they are winning but, in the end, there is going to be two outcomes over this conflict and that is either Iran agrees to Orangeman's terms or they get bombed again but this time it will be much worse. It will be much worse because this time the Orange, who kinda has a mafioso attitude, will be doing it feeling slighted. In his mind he gave the regime the opportunity for a deal and instead of taking it they wasted his time and disrespected him.

The Orangeman is sorta a history buff he often utilizes specific, cherry-picked historical figures and narratives to shape his political rhetoric and decisions and I'm pretty sure he's studied Operation Linebacker II and how it got North Vietnam to the negotiation table making a deal with US. I think if bombing restarts we're going to see something like this where in the end whatever is left of regime will comeback to make a deal.

And that is my armchair psychoanalysis of the Orangeman's thinking. He takes disrespect personal

You have no evidence at all that Orangeman truly "feels" any emotions in this context.

Indeed, the circumstantial evidence available to us hitherto (pertaining to this war specifically) is that Trump has engaged totally in deception, sleight of hand, and misdirection, like some cheap street magician. He may feign "anger" as part of illusion building, but it really would be just a feint in my opinion. I remain unconvinced that he is behaving or acting or negotiating honestly.

And I say that with a degree of respect for such a strategy. It creates uncertainty. However I also think Iran have figured him out and may even be playing an identical game with him.