Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
Trump says the US has boarded and seized an Iranian container ship

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Bratva said:
Ceasefire is holding since past 2 weeks. Did they attack Iran or it's leadership during this time or when the first round of negotiations were inconclusive? Ceasefire gonna end in few days and new attacks would begin.Let's be more tactful, the new or deceptive attacks gonna occur after ceasefire ends. Not when Pakistan is acting as a mediator who guarantees the safety of Irani leadership during ceasefire.
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Same happened when Qatar was hosting talks then Oman. Trump regime always acts in bad faith.
 
PakAl said:
The same Saudis who threatened to kick all Pakistani workers out of Saudi, demanded loan payment back ASAP, only because we wanted to attend Malaysian Summit, they also gave billions of funding to spread extremism in Pakistan and Afghanistan, spread extremist literature.
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Very good posts Saudis only coming back to us now with tail between their legs because they need protection
 
Just a very unlikely scenario but since everything is volatile.. if usa forces attacks pakistan forces under any pretext esp betrayal,collusion with dead qasim solimani,etc
WILL pakistani troops in ksa attack bases in ksa where usa troops are stationed?
 
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So, basically the ceasefire is broken and there is nothing to negotiate if the US can undertake all of these actions during the ceasefifre.
 
Reuters main page right now.
Hard to believe Iran will not attend the upcoming Islamabad Talks while the Americans are coming to Islamabad. But if I were in a conspiracy mode of thinking then I'd say the three days General Munir spent in Iran are tied to any Iranian response of attending or not. Munir has a lot to worry about given the massive, perennial threat from India to spend three days out of Pakistan.

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SolarWarden said:
All these memes coming from Iran about Orangeman are cute and funny and maybe it makes some or a lot feel good like they are winning but, in the end, there is going to be two outcomes over this conflict and that is either Iran agrees to Orangeman's terms or they get bombed again but this time it will be much worse. It will be much worse because this time the Orange, who kinda has a mafioso attitude, will be doing it feeling slighted. In his mind he gave the regime the opportunity for a deal and instead of taking it they wasted his time and disrespected him.

The Orangeman is sorta a history buff he often utilizes specific, cherry-picked historical figures and narratives to shape his political rhetoric and decisions and I'm pretty sure he's studied Operation Linebacker II and how it got North Vietnam to the negotiation table making a deal with US. I think if bombing restarts we're going to see something like this where in the end whatever is left of regime will comeback to make a deal.

And that is my armchair psychoanalysis of the Orangeman's thinking. He takes disrespect personal
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So your maga take on this is Iran surrenders or gets bombed even more than they did, good luck with that air campaign was a total failure not a single objective met.

Here's a third outcome, after getting bombed US fails again like its failed currently and accepts status quo with Iran holding the Straits and not giving up their nuclear material.

If trumpy wants to negotiate in good faith without threats maybe a deal which neither party completely likes is possible.
 
Meengla said:
Reuters main page right now.
Hard to believe Iran will not attend the upcoming Islamabad Talks while the Americans are coming to Islamabad. But if I were in a conspiracy mode of thinking then I'd say the three days General Munir spent in Iran are tied to any Iranian response of attending or not. Munir has a lot to worry about given the massive, perennial threat from India to spend three days out of Pakistan.

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It seems no clear message is coming from US. Or there demands are extremely rigid and unacceptable. Plus, Pakistan has deep interest in these negotiation. Asim Munir is more bridge between Pentagon and IRGC.
 
Meengla said:
Reuters main page right now.
Hard to believe Iran will not attend the upcoming Islamabad Talks while the Americans are coming to Islamabad. But if I were in a conspiracy mode of thinking then I'd say the three days General Munir spent in Iran are tied to any Iranian response of attending or not. Munir has a lot to worry about given the massive, perennial threat from India to spend three days out of Pakistan.

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With American blockade up and America harassing Iranian ships they should refuse to meet
 
Meengla said:
I don't know enough about Iran's domestic politics but when some rogue elements from Iran launched missiles into Pakistan a couple of years ago that showed weakness in Iran's political system. It should never be like that for a nation with such severe external threats. They need one voice, one chain of commands and everything with focus and clarity.
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That was when the Supreme leader Khamenei was intact. Imagine the chaos when the junior may be vegetating.
 
Meengla said:
I'd say 13,000 troops and 50 jets deployed by Pakistan are better than nothing. And you are mistaken to think that America, even under President Trump, would absolutely, totally support Israel every time, every way. They are two different countries after all and after all America is a democracy where the ruling party has to answer to its electorate or otherwise...
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Does PAF have the capability to detect hunt seek and destroy Israeli f35s?
 
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