Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[BigMela2onin]

It only exposes your delusional mentality. Yes, you can celebrate saving 'the Iranian leadership from total collapse' as a strategic win. Your claim itself reflects a defeatist mentality.

Also, doing every possible thing apparently to call the WW3 bluff is not just selfish but being utterly short sighted. It is an attempted blackmail of the world community.


Having satisfaction of losing of only 70000 apartments, not buildings, is good for you. Common Iranian people are actually suffering.

The claimed destruction of 'all US bases in the region' may be good propaganda point but not something that your enemy gets really hurt with it. The real indicator of your success would be how many percent of your adversaries' military capability Iran has destroyed. That would decide how much longer each side will be able to give a fight before capitulating.


What can Iran do to stop the enemy fighter jets/missiles from destroying Iran's energy and oil infra. Before the current temporary ceasefire, they had complete air dominance of Iranian airspace and their jets were continuously lurking over Iran to find and hit military targets. I can't see any real basis for your claim.

Threatening to destroy Arab countries' oil infra could be a blackmailing poly for the world community but that would not militarily hurt Iran's adversaries at all.

All your posts assume good faith negotiations from the west as if their "best and final offer" in Vance's own words wasn't unilateral Iranian disarmament in exchange for ending  this war and nothing else.

 

[Fatman17]

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[ShapurII]

It only exposes your delusional mentality. Yes, you can celebrate saving 'the Iranian leadership from total collapse' as a strategic win. Your claim itself reflects a defeatist mentality.

It is a fact. It reflects nothing but the truth. You are free to interpret it as you like.

Also, doing every possible thing apparently to call the WW3 bluff is not just selfish but being utterly short sighted. It is an attempted blackmail of the world community.

We didn't start the war. We are defending ourselves and the international community supports this. If you have a problem with the war, take your complaint to Trump and Netanyahu. That's all that I will say on this.

Having satisfaction of losing of only 70000 apartments, not buildings, is good for you. Common Iranian people are actually suffering.

Again, damaged does not mean lost or destroyed. Suffering of Iranians is none of your business since you are not Iranian. Just like suffering of Pakistanis in Pakistan is none of my business.

The claimed destruction of 'all US bases in the region' may be good propaganda point but not something that your enemy gets really hurt with it. The real indicator of your success would be how many percent of your adversaries' military capability Iran has destroyed. That would decide how much longer each side will be able to give a fight before capitulating.

You don't define what metric is good or bad. You're just an armchair general with literally zero knowledge of actual warfare. You don't need to destroy your enemy's weapons by yourself. If they have used over 50% of their Tomahawk missiles, or have lost half of their THAAD systems worldwide, it means half of those capabilities can no longer be used, whether it has been destroyed or used in the war is irrelevant.

What can Iran do to stop the enemy fighter jets/missiles from destroying Iran's energy and oil infra. Before the current temporary ceasefire, they had complete air dominance of Iranian airspace and their jets were continuously lurking over Iran to find and hit military targets. I can't see any real basis for your claim.

I cannot see any basis for your claim either. They had a single military operation inside Iran at Natanz and it was a laughable failure. They failed to secure the uranium, they lost 8 aircraft as well. As for your first question, read about what deterrence means. The reason that Trump has not targeted Iranian power plants or oil/gas facilities is because Iran can do the same in Israel and the Persian Gulf region.

Threatening to destroy Arab countries' oil infra could be a blackmailing poly for the world community but that would not militarily hurt Iran's adversaries at all.

It actually does. The Petrodollar and the US tech giant companies are the backbone of the US economy. They are the pillars of its economic hegemony. Hurting the US economy means the US decision makers will have to recalculate things militarily.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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I completely agree with Ejaz here. Pakistan need to step back and don't push only Iran for these talks. Especially if Trump doesn't want to shut his twitter BS mouth and pretend like Iran surrendered and regime is changed.

 

[gamaji]

All your posts assume good faith negotiations from the west as if their "best and final offer" in Vance's own words wasn't unilateral Iranian disarmament in exchange for ending  this war and nothing else.

No, not 'unilateral Iranian disarmament' of Iran. In fact, Iran has already officially announced many a times that Iran has no intention of developing nuclear weapons. This 'unilateral Iranian disarmament' aims at only to formalize that announcement.

Wars are fought with capabilities and not with assumptions or claims. Similarly policies are based on actions and not on words. There shouldn't be any objections from Iranian side on a verifiable mechanism to ensure that Iran is not developing a nuclear weapons capability.

As far the the scientific research in nuclear field for peaceful purposes, no one would have any objection on that. However, given the fact that Iran previously turned rogue by enriching a significant quantity of its uranium (claimed to be about 1000 lbs) to higher than 60% level, Iran needs to allay world community's concerns that Iran will not repeat that behavior yet once more.

 

[BigMela2onin]

No, not 'unilateral Iranian disarmament' of Iran. In fact, Iran has already officially announced many a times that Iran has no intention of developing nuclear weapons. This 'unilateral Iranian disarmament' aims at only to formalize that announcement.

Wars are fought with capabilities and not with assumptions or claims. Similarly policies are based on actions and not on words. There shouldn't be any objections from Iranian side on a verifiable mechanism to ensure that Iran is not developing a nuclear weapons capability.

As far the the scientific research in nuclear field for peaceful purposes, no one would have any objection on that. However, given the fact that Iran previously turned rogue by enriching a significant quantity of its uranium (claimed to be about 1000 lbs) to higher than 60% level, Iran needs to allay world community's concerns that Iran will not repeat that behavior yet once more.

They have demanded missile range limits that would make it impossible for Iram to strike back against attacks. That is unilateral disarmament. They have not offered sanctions removal.

 

[ShapurII]

We dont know much about iran and hell im a cesspit of ignorance on this. I kept calling strait of hummus for a while. Thst bad.

But killing tens of 1000s to put down protests makes one think iran is a regime not govt. And looks like iranians waht a Turkey like society, liberal with a space for faith not too fundamental.

You obviously know a lot about Iran because Iran has defeated india multiple times throughout history, most famously by Nadir Shah. So, spare me that condescending tone, indian. Build some toilets in your cesspool of a land before you talk about other countries.

 

[Master Chief]

You obviously know a lot about Iran because Iran has defeated india multiple times throughout history, most famously by Nadir Shah. So, spare me that condescending tone, indian. Build some toilets in your cesspool of a land before you talk about other countries.

Watch as the clown undoubtedly replies "Saar! It was Mughals defeated, not real India saar!".

Sadly the eastern tribes are exquisitely predictable. Best to ignore and let mods flush them out @Musings

 

[Pak-Warrior]

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I completely agree with Ejaz here. Pakistan need to step back and don't push only Iran for these talks. Especially if Trump doesn't want to shut his twitter BS mouth and pretend like Iran surrendered and regime is changed.

Yeah, we don't want to end up like that. It would be a disaster that we do effort and bring peace but both parties start to blame us that due to Pakistan they got a bad deal LOL. Even right now indians, some emiratis on twitter and Iranian diaspora are not happy at Pakistan's role. They think Pakistan is trying to save Iranian "regime".

Pakistan should say, we are getting tired of this. Last chance avail it or go fight it out. Israel and india already are spoilers, they don't want peace to happen. Israel dont want it because it wants iran to be bombed day in and day out. Israel's best buddy india don't want peace just because its being mediated by Pakistan.

 

[Watandar]

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I hope Pakistan succeeds. I don't want a resumption of this completely un-necessary war.

 

[Starlord]

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I completely agree with Ejaz here. Pakistan need to step back and don't push only Iran for these talks. Especially if Trump doesn't want to shut his twitter BS mouth and pretend like Iran surrendered and regime is changed.

Pakistan is no position to dictate terms to anyone, we are only passing points which are given to Pakistani's to other party, Pakistan may add a point or two here and there to find a middle ground but Pakistan is not pushing anyone, in the end if Iran/USA wants to get back to fighting Pakistan can and will not do anything about it.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Pakistan is no position to dictate terms to anyone, we are only passing points which are given to Pakistani's to other party, Pakistan may add a point or two here and there to find a middle ground but Pakistan is not pushing anyone, in the end if Iran/USA wants to get back to fighting Pakistan can and will not do anything about it.

But if we only push USA agenda then Iranians will know we are not neutral party. Anyway I'm sure Asim Munir know all this so its a moot point.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

past millenia

You quoted a person who's whole narrative of this genocidal state is that it was promised to them another few millenia back. Who justify murder, displacement, ethnic cleansing and genocide on a concoction they recently made...

 

[Starlord]

But if we only push USA agenda then Iranians will know we are not neutral party. Anyway I'm sure Asim Munir know all this so its a moot point.

We are not pushing anyone's agenda, Pakistan is only passing messages and trying to engage both sides in goodwill, its not like Asim Munir is issuing statement like, Iran should accept or be flexible or America is indeed a super power and can do more damage, neither Pakistani side are telling Iranians that they hold most of the cards etc.

its a false narrative being pushed by Indians and some brain dead Jazbati Iranian nationalists, Both sides know where they stand and what cards they hold, we don't have to push anyone narrative to anyone. If Iran thinks they can force America to bend the knee than fine by Pakistan, and if America thinks they can destroy a whole civilization than we (Pakistan) can not stop them.

 

[iron shrapnel]

I think what you are missing is that America, Israel and the GCC also recognize that a sanctions-free Iran can grow into a powerhouse in just 20 years and will then be completely unstoppable, even without any nukes.

Hence they are still trying to either install a puppet regime or keep Iran in a tight straitjacket.

Only way to truly know is if we see the 10 and 15 points of both sides respectively...

I also get that there is method to the madness Trump is doing and buying more time to replenish.

BUT

The Iranians should act more straight forward and render his shenanigans useless. The possibility of a regime change now in Iran is absolutely impossible for the time being and near future..

If the US plans to nuke Iran and break the NPT then it's going to force more nations to obtain nuclear deterrence.