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[iron shrapnel]

I mean Trump tweet like Iran surrendered and regime is changed. He want to please his MAGA base but deal may not be possible in that case.

I think he's buying time to do something more heinous... MAGA doesn't matter if the Epstein files are truly with MOSSAD... They also might want to detach IRGC from it's regional proxies which means giving Israel free hand to chew up Lebanon... Only time will tell..

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[PK781]

There will be no R2. What a damp squib.
I suggest we stay out of it this time. We tried. Let them duke it out.

i agree, if they want to fight then let them destroy each other.
Won't mind both getting trashed then if their egos are so big and large, then they deserve each others destruction
might as well have WW3 with all nukes flying everywhere, should be fun end to our meagre existence on the planet

 

[PK781]

I think he's buying time to do something more heinous... MAGA doesn't matter if the Epstein files are truly with MOSSAD... They also might want to detach IRGC from it's regional proxies which means giving Israel free hand to chew up Lebanon... Only time will tell..

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there is currently NOBODY stopping the bastard zionists, the arabs are all still asleep. They will realize it when their countries will be gobbled up by zions.
They're too busy focused on stupid irrelevant shit

 

[gamaji]

It is a fact. It reflects nothing but the truth. You are free to interpret it as you like.


We didn't start the war. We are defending ourselves and the international community supports this. If you have a problem with the war, take your complaint to Trump and Netanyahu. That's all that I will say on this.

Yes, you are attacking other Muslim countries and killing Muslims in the name of defending yourself. So, you are claiming that if US/Israel destroys Iranian oil infrastructure, then Iran will destroy the infrastructure in Arab countries. That is silly logic reflecting criminal mentality. Instead of hitting back to your enemy, you are hitting your neighboring countries just because that is you can only do. That is a cowardly blackmailing tactic telling the world that we will ruin your economy or else America stops attacking us. Rather than befriending the world community, Iran is declaring a war on the world.

Again, damaged does not mean lost or destroyed. Suffering of Iranians is none of your business since you are not Iranian. Just like suffering of Pakistanis in Pakistan is none of my business.


You don't define what metric is good or bad. You're just an armchair general with literally zero knowledge of actual warfare. You don't need to destroy your enemy's weapons by yourself. If they have used over 50% of their Tomahawk missiles, or have lost half of their THAAD systems worldwide, it means half of those capabilities can no longer be used, whether it has been destroyed or used in the war is irrelevant.

Yes, the Iranian way of the 'actual warfare' is using proxies, terrorism, and blackmail against the neighboring/regional countries and remote enemies. Such rogue policies have resulted in an isolated and disgraced Iran and pushed it into death and destruction that it's facing now.

Your silly claims aside, USA doesn't need the Arab bases to attack Iran. US is as capable of attacking Iran as it was before. God forbid, if war resumes, you'll see Zionist war planes again flying over Iran without facing a real challenge. Yes, they can lose a few jets here and there but that doesn't reduce their military capabilities significantly.

I cannot see any basis for your claim either. They had a single military operation inside Iran at Natanz and it was a laughable failure. They failed to secure the uranium, they lost 8 aircraft as well. As for your first question, read about what deterrence means. The reason that Trump has not targeted Iranian power plants or oil/gas facilities is because Iran can do the same in Israel and the Persian Gulf region.

Any sane person will not expect Americans securing Iranian uranium in such an operation. That's simply not possible. And your believing or claiming it so is no more than a delusion.

The only way to 'secure' that uranium is either through negotiations or ground occupation. The latter option can simply be ruled out. Americans have no intention to occupy the Iranian mainland. The former option is achievable only by forcing Iran to get rid of that enriched uranium.

There are potentially two options to achieve that goal; either Iran makes a deal through negotiations with a bargaining position now, or Iran is dictated/imposed those conditions after further military operations. No one probably is in a position to predict how or which way the issue will be resolved.

It actually does. The Petrodollar and the US tech giant companies are the backbone of the US economy. They are the pillars of its economic hegemony. Hurting the US economy means the US decision makers will have to recalculate things militarily.

Again, destroying the infrastructure in neighboring countries just because American companies work there is a rogue behavior that cannot be tolerated by the world community. Violating the sovereignty of other countries and attacking installations in those countries is a serious and grave violation of international laws. The war is between Iran and the US/Israel. Attacking other countries as a tool to pressurize your enemy is neither justified nor legitimate.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes, you are attacking other Muslim countries and killing Muslims in the name of defending yourself. So, you are claiming that if US/Israel destroys Iranian oil infrastructure, then Iran will destroy the infrastructure in Arab countries. That is silly logic reflecting criminal mentality. Instead of hitting back to your enemy, you are hitting your neighboring countries just because that is you can only do. That is a cowardly blackmailing tactic telling the world that we will ruin your economy or else America stops attacking us. Rather than befriending the world community, Iran is declaring a war on the world.

We are attacking Muslim countries that are belligerents in the war. They are our enemies. Any Muslim country that hosts a US military base and allows the US and Israel to use it against Iran in a war is an enemy and it will be targeted. This is in complete accordance with international law that strictly forbids UN members from allowing their territory to be used for launching war against others. You can now cry me a river.

Yes, the Iranian way of the 'actual warfare' is using proxies, terrorism, and blackmail against the neighboring/regional countries and remote enemies. Such rogue policies have resulted in an isolated and disgraced Iran and pushed it into death and destruction that it's facing now.

You are too brown to use the word terrorism in a sentence. You're not a WASP, sweetheart.

Your silly claims aside, USA doesn't need the Arab bases to attack Iran. US is as capable of attacking Iran as it was before. God forbid, if war resumes, you'll see Zionist war planes again flying over Iran without facing a real challenge. Yes, they can lose a few jets here and there but that doesn't reduce their military capabilities significantly.

And yet, 99% of the US attacks came from the lands of our neighboring countries, while their CSGs did not get closer than 1,000 km during war time.

Any sane person will not expect Americans securing Iranian uranium in such an operation. That's simply not possible. And your believing or claiming it so is no more than a delusion.

Please do not make claims on the behalf of sane people.

The only way to 'secure' that uranium is either through negotiations or ground occupation. The latter option can simply be ruled out. Americans have no intention to occupy the Iranian mainland. The former option is achievable only by forcing Iran to get rid of that enriched uranium.

I didn't know you were a US general too. It just keeps getting better. The US itself says they have been evaluating a ground invasion and are already sending tens of thousands of troops to the region for that and you say they have no intention of doing that? You probably have access to confidential information that we don't.

There are potentially two options to achieve that goal; either Iran makes a deal through negotiations with a bargaining position now, or Iran is dictated/imposed those conditions after further military operations. No one probably is in a position to predict how or which way the issue will be resolved.

There's a third option as well. The US leaves Iran after it realizes that they cannot get what they want militarily.

Again, destroying the infrastructure in neighboring countries just because American companies work there is a rogue behavior that cannot be tolerated by the world community. Violating the sovereignty of other countries and attacking installations in those countries is a serious and grave violation of international laws. The war is between Iran and the US/Israel. Attacking other countries as a tool to pressurize your enemy is neither justified nor legitimate.

Again, you are too brown for using the words like "terrorism", "world community", etc. These are the type of words used by white Americans, not you. Sorry.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Yes, you are attacking other Muslim countries and killing Muslims in the name of defending yourself. So, you are claiming that if US/Israel destroys Iranian oil infrastructure, then Iran will destroy the infrastructure in Arab countries. That is silly logic reflecting criminal mentality. Instead of hitting back to your enemy, you are hitting your neighboring countries just because that is you can only do. That is a cowardly blackmailing tactic telling the world that we will ruin your economy or else America stops attacking us. Rather than befriending the world community, Iran is declaring a war on the world.


Yes, the Iranian way of the 'actual warfare' is using proxies, terrorism, and blackmail against the neighboring/regional countries and remote enemies. Such rogue policies have resulted in an isolated and disgraced Iran and pushed it into death and destruction that it's facing now.

Your silly claims aside, USA doesn't need the Arab bases to attack Iran. US is as capable of attacking Iran as it was before. God forbid, if war resumes, you'll see Zionist war planes again flying over Iran without facing a real challenge. Yes, they can lose a few jets here and there but that doesn't reduce their military capabilities significantly.


Any sane person will not expect Americans securing Iranian uranium in such an operation. That's simply not possible. And your believing or claiming it so is no more than a delusion.

The only way to 'secure' that uranium is either through negotiations or ground occupation. The latter option can simply be ruled out. Americans have no intention to occupy the Iranian mainland. The former option is achievable only by forcing Iran to get rid of that enriched uranium.

There are potentially two options to achieve that goal; either Iran makes a deal through negotiations with a bargaining position now, or Iran is dictated/imposed those conditions after further military operations. No one probably is in a position to predict how or which way the issue will be resolved.


Again, destroying the infrastructure in neighboring countries just because American companies work there is a rogue behavior that cannot be tolerated by the world community. Violating the sovereignty of other countries and attacking installations in those countries is a serious and grave violation of international laws. The war is between Iran and the US/Israel. Attacking other countries as a tool to pressurize your enemy is neither justified nor legitimate.

Agree. Israel destroyed Iran's gas facility. In return Iran destroyed Qatar's gas facility lol. Israel and Nethanyahu were laughing hard that day. As they hate Qatar as much as they hate Iran. They accuse Qatar for harboring and funding Hamas. Imagine Israel hitting Iran's infrastructure and getting GCC infrastructure destroyed by Iran as a bonus.

Nobody denies that Iran has full rights to attack US forces stationed in any base. But attacking refineries and other economic targets, airports just because they cannot hit back at US is unjustifiable.

 

[gamaji]

They have demanded missile range limits that would make it impossible for Iram to strike back against attacks. That is unilateral disarmament. They have not offered sanctions removal.

According to my understanding, they want a curtailed range for Iranian missiles so that these missiles cannot hit targets in Europe and America. I think that should be acceptable to Iran unless Iranians intend to blackmail Europe/USA too in future like they are currently blackmailing Arab countries.

If Iranian leadership had any wisdom for not entangling Iran into actual war (through the use of first defense line, the diplomacy) and exposing Iran's true military capabilities, Iran could have refused to accept that limitations. But at present Iran is in war and is not a winning party. Even Iran may rather end up capitulating if war resumes. Further, Iranians have exhibited a continuously rogue behavior in last 47 years, no one in world is willing to give Iranians a completely free hand in nuclear and missile fields.

A prudent leadership would even now can put Iran on the path of peace, progress, and prosperity. Trying to fight against the whole world will keep Iran on a slippery slope. Iranians will have to live as a civilized and responsible member of international community. Currently they are not.

Claiming that Iran didn't first attack and also Iranians are just defending themselves is deceptive and misleading. The reality is that this war is not an isolated incident. It is a direct consequence of Iranian policies followed by successive Iranian regimes since 1979. When you keep creating and arming proxies in other countries, use them for attacking other countries, and refuse to follow international laws, such an attack on Iran was just a matter of time. No one in world tolerates such non-state rogue militias in their own country or in the neighborhood.

 

[PK781]

Agree. Israel destroyed Iran's gas facility. In return Iran destroyed Qatar's gas facility lol. Israel and Nethanyahu were laughing hard that day. As they hate Qatar as much as they hate Iran. They accuse Qatar for harboring and funding Hamas. Imagine Israel hitting Iran's infrastructure and getting GCC infrastructure destroyed by Iran as a bonus.

Nobody denies that Iran has full rights to attack US forces stationed in any base. But attacking refineries and other economic targets, airports just because they cannot hit back at US is unjustifiable.

and this is what will backfire at them the moment they try to hit KSA's infrastructure. They don't hit israel the same way (keep showing restraints) but find it easy to hit the gulfie muslim nations. Almost like they're in collusion with some that want to destroy the middle east.....
And they(iran) will quickly lose any goodwill/support they have if they attack the muslim nations after ceasefire. It won't be pretty anyway.

 

[gamaji]

We are attacking Muslim countries that are belligerents in the war. They are our enemies. Any Muslim country that hosts a US military base and allows the US and Israel to use it against Iran in a war is an enemy and it will be targeted. This is in complete accordance with international law that strictly forbids UN members from allowing their territory to be used for launching war against others. You can now cry me a river.


You are too brown to use the word terrorism in a sentence. You're not a WASP, sweetheart.


And yet, 99% of the US attacks came from the lands of our neighboring countries, while their CSGs did not get closer than 1,000 km during war time.


Please do not make claims on the behalf of sane people.


I didn't know you were a US general too. It just keeps getting better. The US itself says they have been evaluating a ground invasion and are already sending tens of thousands of troops to the region for that and you say they have no intention of doing that? You probably have access to confidential information that we don't.


There's a third option as well. The US leaves Iran after it realizes that they cannot get what they want militarily.


Again, you are too brown for using the words like "terrorism", "world community", etc. These are the type of words used by white Americans, not you. Sorry.

The same non-sense not worth responding. Also, I cannot fall to your level and get personal.

 

[ShapurII]

The same non-sense not worth responding. Also, I cannot fall to your level and get personal.

Most of your comment was accusations of terrorism, blackmailing, holding the "world community" hostage, etc. which are quite offensive and are used by white pro-Israel Americans but now you are choosing the high road? lol OK. Suit yourself.

According to my understanding, they want a curtailed range for Iranian missiles so that these missiles cannot hit targets in Europe and America. I think that should be acceptable to Iran unless Iranians intend to blackmail Europe/USA too in future like they are currently blackmailing Arab countries.

You are also extremely uninformed about the subject you pretend to be an expert of. Little information, loud voice and bold claims.
The "curtailed range" you are talking about is 300 km! Iran has had a range limit of 2,000 kilometers for 3 decades already, effectively ensuring the Europeans that our missiles are not meant to target them. The Americans want a 300km range limit.

 

[Master Chief]

Nobody denies that Iran has full rights to attack US forces stationed in any base. But attacking refineries and other economic targets, airports just because they cannot hit back at US is unjustifiable.

Why is Iran not destroying Azerbaijan's oil terminals? Or attacking Armenian economic interests? Or levelling Turkmenistan's industry?

Is there a reason Iran has chosen to cripple the military-industrial complexes of certain countries and not others that are within range of its missiles?

Azerbaijan even supplies oil to Tel Aviv and yet, Iran has hitherto avoided attacking this crucial supply line of its enemy, ostensibly because Baku has avoided aiding and abetting any form of DIRECT assault on Iranian assets, military, and civilians.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[Cipher212]

Yes, you are attacking other Muslim countries and killing Muslims in the name of defending yourself. So, you are claiming that if US/Israel destroys Iranian oil infrastructure, then Iran will destroy the infrastructure in Arab countries. That is silly logic reflecting criminal mentality. Instead of hitting back to your enemy, you are hitting your neighboring countries just because that is you can only do. That is a cowardly blackmailing tactic telling the world that we will ruin your economy or else America stops attacking us. Rather than befriending the world community, Iran is declaring a war on the world.

Who told the neighbouring countries to allow US military to have bases there? Who told them to pursue friendly relations with Israel?

Who told them to intercept ballistic missiles that would be heading for Israel, thus making the debris fall on their own people?

Who told them to allow Israeli jets to fly unchallenged over their airspaces on their way to bomb Muslim countries?

These Arabs have been unmasked as the world's greatest goyim. There is no recovery for them. Your post reads like what that UAE minister Reem Al Hashimy is saying that Iran is bombing them out of jealousy or something. No, they're bombing you because you are a forward operating base for the Americans and Israelis. Obviously you will be hit too. This is basic Warnomics and if these miskeen neighbouring countries don't want to be bombed, they can end it by asking foreign militaries to vacate their bases and forbid overflights. Simple as.

 

[Meengla]

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Makes sense. But also possible Vance boards a jet anytime. I think the American delegation was almost ready to leave.

 

[PakFactor]

Who told the neighbouring countries to allow US military to have bases there? Who told them to pursue friendly relations with Israel?

Who told them to intercept ballistic missiles that would be heading for Israel, thus making the debris fall on their own people?

Who told them to allow Israeli jets to fly unchallenged over their airspaces on their way to bomb Muslim countries?

These Arabs have been unmasked as the world's greatest goyim. There is no recovery for them. Your post reads like what that UAE minister Reem Al Hashimy is saying that Iran is bombing them out of jealousy or something. No, they're bombing you because you are a forward operating base for the Americans and Israelis. Obviously you will be hit too. This is basic Warnomics and if these miskeen neighbouring countries don't want to be bombed, they can end it by asking foreign militaries to vacate their bases and forbid overflights. Simple as.

I didn't want to bring her up yesterday, but Reem Al Hashimy's interview with CNN just exposes the delusional c_nt she is and makes her come off as the Arab version of Maryam Nawaz.

The irony in her statements is that the acts she's accusing others of, her own government is involved in other parts of the MENA region, arming militias and rebels, which have directly led to large losses of life.

Many might not see it, but there are a multitude of reasons for the Iranian's hitting the GCC, and knowing some of the little details we know, or some in the know know of these GCC, we too would have struck them. As you know, I have no love for the GCC Arabs.