Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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lightning f57
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EU wont join in, the air campaign has been a total failure not a single real objective met. EU knows this is trumpys war, if anything they will add pressure on him. Trumpy has also fractured relations with the EU.
I personally think Irans strategy is get their main demands met, if they are not met make sure to destroy trumpy presidency turn him into a lame duck president, that provides some restrainment on him for rest of his term.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
in response to Israel's ceasefire violations, Hezbollah conducted 3 FPV strikes and shot down 4 Israeli surveillance drones today.
BHAN85
Trusted Member
Near the gulf? Really? source?
AFAIK USS Ford never come closer than North Red Sea.
April 20th location
Since Iran war started, USA NEVER dared to sail a carrier strike group near to Houthis. NEVER, with all kind of nonsenses and lies as excuses (toilets, sabotage rumors, laundry fire, and so on).
The laundry fire incident in Ford happened too in North Red Sea. It came back to Greece, then Croatia, and then North Red Sea again.
USS Bush avoided Mediterranean. Why?
USA is afraid AF of sail their carriers near Houthis. How they could ask other countries to go to Iran coast when they even dont dare to sail near Houthis?
USA is bluffing and dying of FEAR.
KingQamaR
Elite Member
@ Professor Jiang
That’s how war with a country that borders a choke point works, it’s temporary. There’s no such thing as a war at this level that doesn’t impact everyone. This isn’t a video game that you just turn off.
Mujhe-Kyun-Tora
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Let see we hope this happens .
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We hope that it wont shift from the ego issue of trump to the ego issues of usa . That is what would be disastrous .
Mujhe-Kyun-Tora
Registered Member
Hezbollah is a dead horse . Their failure in southern Lebanon is a proof .
BHAN85
Trusted Member
Do you remember the famous quote of Kissinger in 2012: (later denied, but who knows if it was true or false).
"In 10 years there will be no more Israel." Kissinger in 2012.
www.israelhayom.co.il
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2012 was the year of maximum USA harassment against Iran (until last year). When Iran war was seen like imminent.
en.wikipedia.org
I think the Kissinger quote didnt fulfilled just because Iran war didnt start in 2012 like they planned.
But now that it started, it has become true.
Those days news must be remember now, because USA is creating another narrative of nonsenses, and lies like they are used to do always.
Remember January 2012 European Union economic sanctions against Iran.
Remember UN resolutions allowing interception of Iran ships in 2010, with Russia and China ignoring it.
Remember USA aircraft carriers, UK and France warships going by pairs in Hormuz in January 2012 when a Iran boat sunk, dying more 19 people.
All those provocations happened quietly. But now it's time to remember to be aware of new USA narrative of nonsenses lies.
"In 10 years there will be no more Israel." Kissinger in 2012.
'Kissinger said Israel won't exist in 10 years'
New York Post gossip columnist Cindy Adams reports she was told that former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger said Israel will not exist in 10 years • Kissinger staffer denies the report, according to Jewish Telegraphic Agency.
Remembering my late friend former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger
Henry Kissinger, who passed away at the age of 100 last week, shared many memorable moments with Post columnist Cindy Adams.
nypost.com
2012 was the year of maximum USA harassment against Iran (until last year). When Iran war was seen like imminent.
2011–2012 Strait of Hormuz dispute - Wikipedia
I think the Kissinger quote didnt fulfilled just because Iran war didnt start in 2012 like they planned.
But now that it started, it has become true.
Those days news must be remember now, because USA is creating another narrative of nonsenses, and lies like they are used to do always.
Remember January 2012 European Union economic sanctions against Iran.
Remember UN resolutions allowing interception of Iran ships in 2010, with Russia and China ignoring it.
Remember USA aircraft carriers, UK and France warships going by pairs in Hormuz in January 2012 when a Iran boat sunk, dying more 19 people.
All those provocations happened quietly. But now it's time to remember to be aware of new USA narrative of nonsenses lies.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
Mujhe-Kyun-Tora
Registered Member
Well tried to give it a religious touch .
This isnt a religious war . Its a war between iran and america+ israel .
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And Comparing iran with Imam Hussain R.A (Astaghfirullah) .
SilentWatch
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Then Pakistan will need to take a position on either side of Iran or Saudi defence pact will KICK IN...
and we will have muhjay Kyun Chora - meri majboori thi FP and military drama
We can walk the tightrope as US and Iran are locked -> not Saudis -> pact nations
Blain2
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
The US has been burning through weapons in Iran it could need in a war with China. Here are the latest estimates.
Sinéad BakerWed, April 22, 2026 at 2:29 PM EDT
- The US has used large amounts of key munitions in its war with Iran, experts assessed.
- It has enough for this fight, but "the risk — which will persist for many years — lies in future wars," they said.
- Many of those munitions would be vital against China, and they take a long time to replenish.
US forces "heavily used" seven key munitions in the 39 days of its air and missile campaign against Iran before a fragile ceasefire went into effect, two warfare experts at the Center for Strategic and International Studies said in a new report.
The US military "has enough missiles to continue fighting this war under any plausible scenario," they wrote, looking at munition stockpiles. "The risk — which will persist for many years — lies in future wars."
The problem is how many munitions have been used and how long it takes to replace them.
"These missiles will also be critical for a potential Western Pacific conflict," CSIS researchers Mark Cancian and Chris Park said.
"Even before the Iran war, stockpiles were deemed insufficient for a peer competitor fight. That shortfall is now even more acute, and building stockpiles to levels adequate for a war with China will take additional time."
Reduced stockpiles also affect supplies to Ukraine and allies, and ultimately, "the United States will compete with those countries that also want to replenish and expand inventories," they said.
Depleted stockpiles
The seven key munitions, long-range ground attack munitions or air and missile defense munitions, "have been highly effective in fighting this war, and expenditures have accordingly been high," the experts said. The report found that the US may have expended more than half of its prewar inventories of four of the munitions.On defense, the US had around 360 Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, interceptors before the war, depleted by previous conflicts, and used about 190 to 290 during it, the researchers estimated, relying on publicly available information, including Pentagon budget documents.
PAC-3 interceptors for the popular Patriot air defense system have also been used at a high rate, with the US starting the war with around 2,330 and using up to 1,430, though it may still have older versions.
The Patriot system had already seen increased demand and strained stockpiles before the Iran war.Sebastian Kahnert/picture alliance via Getty Images
The interceptor missiles have seen surging demand globally, and there were concerns about their stocks even before the war. Ukraine has already warned of critical shortages and raised concerns about how the US use against Iran will affect its supply.
The US had more than 400 warship-launched SM-3 interceptor missiles before the war and has used between 130 and 250. Use of the SM-6 has been lower, with up to 370 used out of about 1,160.
For offensive strikes, the US had around 90 Precision Strike Missiles (PrSMs) before the war and has used an estimated 40 to 70. It's a newer munition that saw its first combat use in this conflict.
Another munition is the Tomahawk land-attack cruise missile, for which the report estimated the US had more than 3,000 in its inventory before the Iran war and used more than 850 in the conflict.
And the US had more than 4,000 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile s (JASSMs), a long-range cruise missile, in its inventory before the war and has used around 1,000, the report said.
Replacing them is slow
The US has been moving to boost production. The White House in March announced plans to quadruple the output of some key weapons, and manufacturers have outlined increases.Lockheed Martin said it will raise THAAD interceptor production capacity to 400 a year from 96 over the next seven years, and Tomahawk maker RTX said it will increase annual production to more than 1,000 and boost SM-6 production to more than 500 a year. There are also plans to increase production of Patriot PAC-3 interceptors by 2030.
The US has eaten into stocks of missiles like Tomahawks, analysts warn.U.S. Navy via Getty Images
Lockheed Martin has also increased PrSM production and has agreed to quadruple production.
The CSIS report warned that "until this increased production becomes available, the United States will face choices on allocating production to meet demands."
Much of that expansion depends on new funding from Congress, and production will still take time.
Based on the five-year average production rates, the report presented estimates for how long it would take to replace the weapons. For JASSMs, the researchers estimated 48 months; 42 months for PAC-3s; and 53 months for THAAD. The shortest was Tomahawks at 47 months.
"Many of these systems are constrained by production capacity, so manufacturing lead time is even longer," they said.
Franz-Stefan Gady, a defense expert at the Center for a New American Security, also warned on Wednesday that it would take four to five years to replenish US precision munition stockpiles. Others have likewise been sounding the alarms, many long before the war even started.
The US could be vulnerable in future wars
The US still has enough munitions to sustain operations against Iran, the experts said.But many of the munitions being depleted are critical for a fight against a peer adversary like China, especially for countering ballistic missiles, where the US has few alternatives.
For the seven key munitions assessed, "large numbers are also needed for a future conflict in the Western Pacific. Many allies and partners use these systems as well, creating competition for output," the researchers said.
In a war with China, the US would need sufficient long-range strike to overwhelm and penetrate Chinese defenses, as well as significant defenses to counter its substantial missile arsenal.
This assessment, like others before it, said that a high-intensity fight with China could consume US munitions even faster than the war with Iran.
The US military can shift assets back to the Pacific after the Iran war and rebuild inventories, "but restoring depleted stockpiles and then achieving the desired inventory levels will take many years."
"Prewar inventories were already insufficient," the CSIS report said. "The levels today will constrain US operations should a future conflict arise."
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Why Jordan not hit more they are very desrving
Mujhe-Kyun-Tora
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If push comes to shove then indeed we have to do something.
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That is exactly why i am arguing for a deal before that point .
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