Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Meengla said:
The war itself is a mess and a war for Israel and maybe even for Netanyahu himself. I see no 'victory' for America unless they decide on carpet bombing and/or nuking Iran in multiple places.
While the war hawks in America like John Bolton think the American Blockade was needed, even India's General Bakshi is spot on: Trump destroyed his own off ramp by doing the Blockade.

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How do you start a war and not realise before hand Iran would use the strait of Hormuz as a focal point, with no apparent solution. Lol, Horrible military planning.
 
ShapurII said:
That's the worst idea.
The US instigated a civil war in Syria and literally invaded Deir Ez-Zur oil fields when Russia had military bases there. Syria was the worst example to come up. A country that suffered from civil war for 14 years and fell in just 11 days. That's your example of what Iran should follow? lol
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When the war started Usa, Turkey, Saudis wanted Nato to impose no fly zone, to destroy Syrian army but they could not due to risk of clash with Russia. This is one of the reason the war continued for decade, the reason they fell was because all surrounding nations imposed sanctions, they gave billions to the terrorists, the Syrian economy collapsed and their leader called it a day. Gaddafi fought back against the terrorists, he nearly finished them off but Nato employed no fly zone to save their holy warriors.

if no Nation can attack Iran via airforce or naval attack, then Iran should be able to become a strong nation, survive this. This is also one of the reason South Korea and Japan have Usa bases. The risk is always their ofcourse, Usa can just leave them when #### hits the fan. Iranians should give solution to the current problem, they are facing war, cannot end the blockade which is also an act of war, they cannot protect their leadership, talking big like IRGC will not solve the problem.
 
PakAl said:
When the war started Usa, Turkey, Saudis wanted Nato to impose no fly zone, to destroy Syrian army but they could not due to risk of clash with Russia.
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Wrong. The Russians refused to enter the Syrian war until 2015, four years after the civil war started. Syria had good air defenses at first. It took years of civil war to downgrade it.

PakAl said:
This is one of the reason the war continued for decade, the reason they fell was because all surrounding nations imposed sanctions, they gave billions to the terrorists, the Syrian economy collapsed and their leader called it a day. Gaddafi fought back against the terrorists, he nearly finished them off but Nato employed no fly zone to save their holy warriors.
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It was the Quds Force of Iran that kept Assad in power, not Russia. Russia wanted Assad to hand over the power to somebody else before 2015. Russia entered the Syrian war at the expense of looting Syria's natural resources, particularly long-term control of their phosphate resources. And they betrayed Iran and Assad in the end.

PakAl said:
if no Nation can attack Iran via airforce or naval attack, then Iran should be able to become a strong nation, survive this. This is also one of the reason South Korea and Japan have Usa bases. The risk is always their ofcourse, Usa can just leave them when #### hits the fan. Iranians should give solution to the current problem, they are facing war, cannot end the blockade which is also an act of war, they cannot protect their leadership, talking big like IRGC will not solve the problem.
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Please keep your genius solutions to yourself. We are not going to turn Iran into another Syria. Not to mention that the Russians left Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor as soon as shit started to hit the fan.
 
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stock markets dump. Oil pump something not right
 
Article which says Iranian tankers are turning off their transponders to evade the US blockade.

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Iranian Oil Tankers Go Dark To Evade U.S Naval Blockade In Hormuz Strait

Marine Insight - The maritime industry guide.
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This article says 34 ships managed to evade the blockade.

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Iran-Linked Tankers Evade US Hormuz Blockade As Trump Claims Economic Pressure Biting

Dozens of Iran-linked tankers bypass US blockade, raising doubts as Trump insists pressure cripples Tehran’s economy and revenues.
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Meengla said:
That would be an effective strategy as bombing of Russian or Chinese soldiers stationed in key Iranian military installations would be a deterrent; Russians might oblige but I doubt the Chinese.
The way I look at it, unless some grand bargain is reached which also satisfied Israel, we are looking at continued hostilities in the Middle East as long as Trump and Netanyahu occupy their respective offices. Remove either of them and I foresee a likely reduction in hostilities.
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Iran claims to be anti Usa western imperialist, they must either change their international policy, become like Saudis, Emirates, Qatar or they must form close relations with China Russia, basically just make them their daddy, in return Iranian policy must align with Russia Chinese policy, ie only use diplomatic language against the west, not make empty threats and then be sitting duck, they must give and take with the west in order to survive, build themselves up, but their policies must align with China Russia, I personally think China is the way forward, Russia is not reliable, they could not defend Syria and now struggling in Ukraine.

Israel wants end of the Iranian regime, no if or buts but end. Usa probably doesnt mind a deal where Iran cannot have the nukes but Israel is different, they want to finish Iran, Hizbollah, Houthis, Iraqi militias and rise as the unchallengable power in the middleeast. Libya, Syria, Iraq are all neutralised, Iran is the last one, the rest are all pro Usa and Israel but only make tv statements to confuse the ummah.

I think Iran needs military rule by pro Iranian officers, people who care about Iran and its security, make new policies, concentrate on Central Asia, ASEAN, Russia, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Africa, forget about the backstabbing Arabs.
 
SABRE said:
Why do you assume that most of us who frequent this forum and discussion fully grasp Farsi? :)
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Some things I post is only for Iranians.
But don't worry, these things are not war relevant.
Some things are insiders that only Iranians can understand (apart from the language), like that video of the weirdo I posted.
 
ShapurII said:
Wrong. The Russians refused to enter the Syrian war until 2015, four years after the civil war started. Syria had good air defenses at first. It took years of civil war to downgrade it.
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Syrian army lost alot of territory initially and then continued to loose the war, until Syrian leadership called for Russian help. The airforce support helped Syria gain alot of loss territory but Turkish involvement led to a stalemate, then Usa did the same. They bled Syrian economy till the Syrian people had enough. No doubt Iran helped them aswell has Hizbollah.
ShapurII said:
It was the Quds Force of Iran that kept Assad in power, not Russia. Russia wanted Assad to hand over the power to somebody else before 2015. Russia entered the Syrian war at the expense of looting Syria's natural resources, particularly long-term control of their phosphate resources. And they betrayed Iran and Assad in the end.
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What are you on about, Russian airforce support was requested by Bashal Al Assad government.
ShapurII said:
Please keep your genius solutions to yourself. We are not going to turn Iran into another Syria. Not to mention that the Russians left Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor as soon as shit started to hit the fan.
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What is your genius solution, for Iran Usa Israel to start another war, which will lead to huge destruction of Iran infrastructure and economy. Iran will bomb GCC and this will turn in to GCC Iranian war. If this continues Iran will face the same faith as Syria or even worse.
 
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Gripen9 said:
Anthony Scarramucci was Trump's spokesman during his first term. And recently chief of staff of Kristi Noem with whom she was Allegedly having an affair.
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No, the one sleeping with Noem was Corey Lewandowski...
 
Pak-Warrior said:
LOL! What are sources for your information? I live in GCC. No one's really left. If you do not believe me, ask from other members of this forum living in GCC.

Indians are not going to leave GCC even if far worse would have had happened. They are heavily invested in the region.
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We have to change that

No Hindu should be trusted or tolerated

We know these people, we know what on the inside
We know they are enemies of both Pakistan and Muslims

They should be tolerated nowhere
 
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