Islamabad Talks - News & Discussions

[mythbuster]

Can Pakistan China protect Iran as Iran should be the redline so noone crosses over to Asia, they are giving full diplomatic support but cannot do much else. If Israel attacks GCC noone will be able to defend them, Israel will get support from Usa, also GCC maintains close strategic relations with the Usa/Israel, they cooperated in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and now Iran, i dont see any point of attacking them.

No , Iran is the unwanted child of the middle east , no one is eager to defend her.... you are contradicting your earlier stance that Israel will become the dominant power in the middle east...if you stick with your stance then it's natural for other countries of the region to counter the dominance of Israel as best as they can ...

 

[PakAl]

You are contradicting your earlier stance that Israel will become the dominant power in the middle east...if you stick with your stance then it's natural for other countries of the region to counter the dominance of Israel as best as they can ...

Good point but it depends, If Israel wants to expand its territories then they will have issues with the GCC or else Israel/Usa maintain good relations with the Arabs, they already dominate them, the only issue was Hamas, Hizbollah, Syria Regime, Iraqi Saddam regime and finally Iran, Israel will become the dominating power, their leader already announced Israel has become more stronger than before. But if Israel wants to expand in to Syria and Lebanon then more challenges will rise for them, even Jordan is sitting duck.

 

[PakFactor]

Good point but it depends, If Israel wants to expand its territories then they will have issues with the GCC or else Israel/Usa maintain good relations with the Arabs, they already dominate them, the only issue was Hamas, Hizbollah, Syria Regime, Iraqi Saddam regime and finally Iran, Israel will become the dominating power, their leader already announced Israel has become more stronger than before. But if Israel wants to expand in to Syria and Lebanon then more challenges will rise for them, even Jordan is sitting duck.

Israel will have no issues if it chooses to expand its territory. It is a de facto regional power.

The GCC will do nothing because it knows its reliance on the United States for arms, parts, etc., will keep it from taking action, and it can't do anything. They've strategically wedged themselves into a position, and they can't get out of it.

They are the body stuck in the Nutty Putty Cave by choice.

 

[mythbuster]

Israel will have no issues if it chooses to expand its territory. It is a de facto regional power.

The GCC will do nothing because it knows its reliance on the United States for arms, parts, etc., will keep it from taking action, and it can't do anything. They've strategically wedged themselves into a position, and they can't get out of it.

They are the body stuck in the Nutty Putty Cave by choice.

They are trying to wiggle out of ' wedge ' ... they need some encouragement.

 

[arsalan345]

• You're painting a picture as if Iran is the aggressor.
• Need to remember Iran is the innocent party here, and this is a illegal war imposed by Genocide'yahu.
• Also need to remember Iran really wanted the deal and agreed to US demands, as endorsed by Oman as well, but US moved the goal post because they never wanted the deal and were conspiring attacks behind the cover of negotiations.
• Would be suicidal and foolish of Iran to quickly jumping to believe on what US/Israel are saying.
• Need to remember what happened with Iraq/Libya etc.
• Allying with arabs now is like allying with Israel, there is no difference, tons of proofs Arab land/airspace was used to murder Iranian children and civilians.
• Pakistan's reputation will not be harmed, just like Oman's didn't after the 28th Feb war.
• And finally, Iran has the right be skeptical of all this given the continuous US military buildup in M.E, and also because they were continuously subjected of attacks behind the veil of negotiations.

Iran is surely not the aggressor but clearly everyone in the region is sick of Iranian proxies. It's happening because of Iranian proxies. What's the role of vahidi in selecting new government in Iraq? World is not fool. Iran actually sent back ships from hormuz after declaring it open. After that, trump had no option but to start naval blockade.

Iran is not innocent. Thousands die in gaza due to Israeli bombs, thanks to Hezbollah and hamas attack on October 7th. Did Iran paid the price? No. It's Gaza that was destroyed.

Arabs helped Pakistan in difficult times so we can't leave Arabs for Iran. We tried to help Iran but enough is enough.

Iran can never be trusted. I am sure Iran will attack Pakistan this time because it will be a long war. It's not possible for Iran to attack Arabs but not attack Pakistan. Pakistan played nicely but even Pakistan don't trust irgc.

Well Arabs are wrong to give airbases to united states but seriously why they trust Iran? What if Iran makes a nuclear missile? Is it not possible for Iran to fire nuclear missile on Riyadh? I am sure they will fire one so yes nobody trusts Iran now. Pakistan has given chance but irgc is running a different show and irgc can't be trusted.

I am not against Iran. I don't like irgc.

 

[arsalan345]

Now aragchi will come back to Pakistan again. Hahaha. It's like a circus. It's funny. We should give aragchi asylum. We can save him but not the other hardliners. Very little time is left for Iran. Without trade, how can Iran survive? They can't so they should make a deal but irgc has it's own plans. They will make Iran post apocalyptic type of country.

People will say this is where irgc used to live. Iran will be like new indus civilization. May be the lost city of Tehran or whatever.

 

[mythbuster]

Now aragchi will come back to Pakistan again. Hahaha. It's like a circus. It's funny. We should give aragchi asylum. We can save him but not the other hardliners. Very little time is left for Iran. Without trade, how can Iran survive? They can't so they should make a deal but irgc has it's own plans. They will make Iran post apocalyptic type of country.

People will say this is where irgc used to live. Iran will be like new indus civilization. May be the lost city of Tehran or whatever.

I won't blame Aragchi looking around for a painkiller to make the death tolerable.....or you can use a proverbial " last kick of the dying horse" .

 

[arsalan345]

I won't blame Aragchi looking around for a painkiller to make the death tolerable.....or you can use a proverbial " last kick of the dying horse" .

It's sad but what can you do if real power belongs to some other faction? Why irgc didn't come here to solve issues? What is the end result? Iran has only one card and that is Hormuz. What if they lose this card? Who will listen to them if they lose all cards? They aren't understanding the gravity of situation. They just want to make more and more missiles which isn't a crime but death to America slogan, I mean you can see the mindset. How can a superpower trust you with this type of mindset? Trump did some mistakes but overall, he did the right thing. Iranian nuclear missile program was a threat to Arab which obviously doesn't possess this capability.

Iran can still control it's proxies and can exit this situation easily but they are egoistic and think that Americans are surrendering to their demands. They think Hormuz card is the ultimate deciding factor. They aren't broad mindset and not thinking about Pakistani interests. They are only looking to save the regime by any means even if they to sacrifice civilians. This shows the mindset.

 

[PakFactor]

They are trying to wiggle out of ' wedge ' ... they need some encouragement.

To be real with you, I would rather just close the opening and let them die for their lack of wisdom in playing the game.

 

[mythbuster]

It's sad but what can you do if real power belongs to some other faction? Why irgc didn't come here to solve issues? What is the end result? Iran has only one card and that is Hormuz. What if they lose this card? Who will listen to them if they lose all cards? They aren't understanding the gravity of situation. They just want to make more and more missiles which isn't a crime but death to America slogan, I mean you can see the mindset. How can a superpower trust you with this type of mindset? Trump did some mistakes but overall, he did the right thing. Iranian nuclear missile program was a threat to Arab which obviously doesn't possess this capability.

Iran can still control it's proxies and can exit this situation easily but they are egoistic and think that Americans are surrendering to their demands. They think Hormuz card is the ultimate deciding factor. They aren't broad mindset and not thinking about Pakistani interests. They are only looking to save the regime by any means even if they to sacrifice civilians. This shows the mindset.

Earlier Iranians were acting like baboons on steroids and now they are like khassi bull trying to mount a healthy young cow .

 

[mythbuster]

Aragchi is heading back to Islamabad after Oman visit .... let's see how would this be interpreted.

 

[mythbuster]

To be real with you, I would rather just close the opening and let them die for their lack of wisdom in playing the game.

To be honest , I don't actually give a damn about Iranian and Arabs .

 

[Cipher212]

Don't know what planet you are living , there were no negotiations in Oman.....the mighty Iranian objected to the presence of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia , Turkey and Egypt.... they wanted one on one with the Americans and got it in Geneva.... the result of that one on one is for all to see..... don't talk about things that are way above your pay grade.

I cringed reading this because its kind of embarasing. All you had to do was Google.

Oman has been a venue for US-Iran talks for a very long time.

 

[mythbuster]

Mark my words......DEAL will be signed In Islamabad within next few days......Iran has THROWN the TOWEL .....
Glad this shit show will be over soon.

 

[EugeneP]

You are pinning your hope on this clown?

I can understand you lot anxiety which is filtering down from your lords in uniform, their desperation to get the PR they need from the signed deal, but try not to make it obvious?


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