UAE in trouble. Why Pakistan suddenly returned billions

[Abdul q]

I just wish Molana Khadim Rizvi was our army chief when they asked us for 3.5bn$

 

[Himalayan]

The UAE's fatal mistake was assuming Iran wouldn't last. Now it's racing to find any influential power to speak on its behalf and save its neck. Out of 11 million residents, only 1.17 million are citizens, and all the money in the world can't turn that into a real army. The ruling family has learned the hard way: in a region that devours the vulnerable, wealth without force and depth is just prey. Israel can't change that.

 

[Faceless]

The UAE’s ties with Islamabad date to Abu Dhabi’s independence from the UK in 1971. The first five chiefs of staff of the Emirati air force were Pakistani citizens, while Pakistan’s flag carrier Pakistan International Airlines provided aircraft and training to Emirates Airlines.

What a fall from grace
From Training Emirates Airlines to selling PIA for pennies on the dollar

 

[Oscar]

Aaj ke time me apne paise wapis manga bhi gunah hogya .
Main point ye hai ki usne diye to the. Paise to sabke launtane padenge china , KSA sabke .

Tum se mange kya?
Nahin na?
Tu phir nikal yehan se...

 

[Watandar]

Bro I born In UAE and spent my early childhood there and I know how India git sucess in Dubai and UAE in general......Inviting arabab to their homes their wives are "serving" to locals Arabs " Food" and that is how the got key positions in many Dubai Govt and high positions and as comparison Pakistanis hold their pride and don't serve locals arabs what India is offering so you people definatly need to proud of your services for local Arabs.

This is uncalled for. Such comments are unconducive to healthy discussion.

 

[I*R*A]

No mushkila, Pakistan should have returned that money even before them asking for it.

We built their airliners, sent our trainers, we built their cities ... ups and downs, the time passes and we have seen how quickly the tables can turn. Pakistan only needs an honest fearless leader who cannot be epsteined or bought (sorry no bani e PTI and dancing tabdeeli razakars), someone, someday and then the nation building would start, it is near.

Anyhow, the truth and proven fact is, Pakistan can defend itself and few others in the region (including iran) ... can they UAE?

indian andhbakht terrorists, afghan hypocrites, emirati zionists and persian empire dreamers .. all have always underestimated, belittled and insulted Pakistan. Just imagine an economically weak corruption ridden Pakistan can be this resilient, what could be achieved if it achieves and starts exploiting its full potential.

 

[Mav3rick]

They did not Pay full amount of PTCL and with interest they the amount exceed more than 6 Billions but these buffoons are blackmailing us to send back our workers.

We should start by demanding the money they owe us, with interest.

 

[Mav3rick]

Some people on this forum get offended every time i ask this same question, how come more than 70K Pakistanis are martyred and not a single general, politician or their families have been hurt? They all get paid to defend Pakistanis but instead they've built a security bubble for themselves while the rest of the population is treated like GTA NPCs. Any general or leader who survives after getting 70K people killed doesn't deserve to live.

Don't want to defend the politicians but scores of politicians have been victims of terrorism. As for the Military, Lieutenant General Mushtaq Ahmed Baig (R) was martyred in a suicide terrorist attack. In addition, countless Majors, Captains and others have either been martyred or injured over the years.

What I mean to say is that your entire premise is flawed.

 

[Mav3rick]

We should start by demanding the money they owe us, with interest.

To the mod who edited my post, can you please also DM and explain why you felt compelled to delete the other part of my post which was about politely conveying warnings of repurcussion to all those regional countries who are deliberately planning or causing damage to our economy.

 

[Par 5]

Government of Pakistan should have deducted the US$800 million plus owed by Etilsalat to PTA before returning the funds to UAE

 

[Mav3rick]

I know it's easier said than done, but the sooner Pakistan pulls back its workers from the UAE, and other reliance, and perhaps rebalances the workers in KSA, Kuwait, Qatar etc., the better. The medium to long term strategy has to be doing more with with our workers at home and not even relying on the Gulf for exporting manpower.

UAE has been playing two-faced games ever since the Gwadar port started receiving serious Chinese funding. Even in the times of Musharraf, he and some in his government were hinting that UAE is getting in the way of Gwadar and disrupting it through proxy support. What was perhaps previously hidden as a "frenemy" sort of a situation with UAE is now out in the open. This move by them to force Pakistan's hand is as clear an indication of that as any. We have a dependence on them for our workers, but that is pretty much it (plus many Pakistanis buy real-estate there but that is a personal financial choice and not a governmental affair).

I am personally vexed seeing Pakistani government kowtowing to the Emeratis but also realize that at least short-mid term the options are very limited. Some people in their government, including Anwar Gargash, have been openly anti-Pakistani in some situations. Add to that, they have some misplaced arrogance as well being crowned "Sparta of the Gulf" by some of their American benefactors to stroke their egos and bring them onboard the expansionist "adventurism" in alignment with Israel. This has gotten to their heads and they think they can bully other countries aside and get involved in expansionist foreign policy enterprises far from their shores.

Last, given their trajectory is already moving in the direction of Israel, Greece and India (something they decided to do on their own), Pakistan too will have to make calls for its own sake.

It is not easy trying to pull the 1.0 million or so workers from UAE. I too would like that, but it is simply not possible, unless we accept financial damage (remittances from UAE are around 11 Billion this year). Whether we like it or not, our economic dependence on remittances and by virtue on UAE is very big.

 

[Mav3rick]

Sorry, I don't buy your nonchalant "Pakistan’s leadership failed to address these issues, due to personal (leadership investments in UAE)". The country does not run on the whims of certain individual's investments in a country or two.

This is yet again a common conspiracy that Pakistanis have conjured up. It may be a consideration for some, but not the deciding factor at the bi-lateral relations level.

The simple reason is that we need to find a solution to relocate our labor in the UAE and ensure the remittances are not impacted if the UAE continues to pressure Pakistan. This is what ties Pakistan to the UAE. What does someone's personal investment in the UAE have to do with Govt-Govt dealing?

I am of the opinion, had also written it in my earlier post but it was modded out for some reason, that we should politely convey to the UAE that any attempt to detabilize Pakistan or our economy will be met with actions which may make Iranian attacks look like rose petals.

 

[Yasser76]

Government of Pakistan should have deducted the US$800 million plus owed by Etilsalat to PTA before returning the funds to UAE

Well issue the Emiratis have now is they have zero leverage over Pakistan.

Our workers there help sustain the economy, replacing them will take time and money, much Pakistani money is invested in Dubai and Pakistan is a major market for Emirates. Now we do not owe them anything the relationship can be more balanced, and now Pakistan can take it's own shots....

 

[Olympus81]

Well issue the Emiratis have now is they have zero leverage over Pakistan.

Our workers there help sustain the economy, replacing them will take time and money, much Pakistani money is invested in Dubai and Pakistan is a major market for Emirates. Now we do not owe them anything the relationship can be more balanced, and now Pakistan can take it's own shots....

Unfortunately the UAE still does.

We have alot of blue and white collar workers earning a living in UAE and in terms of overall remittances the concentration is quite high. The Emiratis can use that leverage.

We have only ourselves to blame. Decades of lost opportunity and treating our populace as a remittance extraction machines and here we are.

And now we’re doing the same with Saudi Arabia.

Improve our own economy, nurture our human resources to work for the betterment of Pakistan and then we’ll get somewhere.

Otherwise be treated like a dhobi ka kutta…

 

[Yasser76]

Unfortunately the UAE still does.

We have alot of blue and white collar workers earning a living in UAE and in terms of overall remittances the concentration is quite high. The Emiratis can use that leverage.

We have only ourselves to blame. Decades of lost opportunity and treating our populace as a remittance extraction machines and here we are.

And now we’re doing the same with Saudi Arabia.

Improve our own economy, nurture our human resources to work for the betterment of Pakistan and then we’ll get somewhere.

Otherwise be treated like a dhobi ka kutta…

Disagree here to an extent. Most of UAE is still very corporate driven, so yes, they can get rid of Pakistanis,, but for example in some cases that may mean sending back the best people suited for a job and replacing them with someone less capable.

Also, by that stage if things got that bad you can be assured Emirates will be pretty much terminated from Pak destinations and air space, so works both ways. That will give a leg up to Qatar and Saudi, something the UAE will be loath to do. My point is Pakistan does have some cards to play here