PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[SaadH]

the answer is simple ...

GHQ wants to be the boss.... PERIOD


all these partwarns, faujeeets etc and their long boring is lame story with massive doses of self serving logic shows they know as much as they can guess.


lets look at all their stories

Corruption : You think they care about corruption ... really ?.... then why appoint Zadari as President?

Governance : You think care about governance ? really ? then why appoint Maryum who buys private jets while most Pakistanis live under poverty


the list is endless...

100%, Pakistan is a basket case because the chowkidars thrive in this scenario...

 

[Cipher212]

I mostly agree with you. Education probably is the closest thing Pakistan has to a real long term fix, and over time a better educated population usually does improve productivity, incomes, and social mobility. But in Pakistan’s case, the problem is not just getting kids into schools because what if what they are actually learning isn’t useful to anyone?

That is the wada catch.
Pakistan’s learning outcomes are so weak that simply spending more money or forcing one syllabus on everyone will not magically fix society. A quick google search will show that surface numbers of education are false and huge numbers of children are still struggling with basic reading and math at early grade levels and going onto be “matriculated” while unable to converse in English or read it properly or understand basic concepts.

So yes, education matters, but it needs direction. If the system just produces students who can memorize, pass exams, and repeat slogans, then you are not building a healthier society, you are just producing more certificate and rubber stamped people inside the same broken culture - this forum is ample evidence to it.

Living example of why that is harder than it sounds. Look at KP. PTI had over a decade there, declared education emergencies, increased budgets sharply, hired teachers by the tens of thousands, and made it a core part of their identity and brand. That is not nothing. The intent and the investment were real.

But the actual results tell a different story. Quoting from google: Adult literacy in KP barely moved between 2013 and 2023, staying stuck around 51 to 52 percent, while Punjab raised theirs steadily to 66 percent in the same period. Youth literacy in KP sat at around 55 percent while Punjab pushed above 70. Nearly 37 percent of KP school age children were still not enrolled by 2023.

So KP under PTI spent more, talked more, and governed longer in that one province than anywhere else, and still fell behind. Why? Because the same patterns showed up inside the reform itself. Budget increases went mostly to salaries rather than learning outcomes, teacher hiring got politicized despite the merit narrative, temporary teachers stayed in limbo for years, schools were announced that lacked basic infrastructure, and monitoring stayed internal rather than genuinely independent. The intent was real. The implementation fell back into the same old habits.

Now, can you blame Imran Khan for this? Partly yes. He had the platform, the mandate, and the brand loyalty in KP that no other leader had. If any leader could have forced sustained institutional follow through in Pakistan’s recent history, it should have been him in that province. That he could not, or did not, is a legitimate failure of leadership. But here is where it also becomes about PTI supporters themselves. The same base that wanted accountability from others kept giving KP a pass. Every failure got explained away as establishment interference, federal underfunding, or the security situation in merged districts. Valid excuses partly, but also a pattern of not holding your own side to the same standard you demand from opponents.

But let’s be clear, this is not an argument that the other parties are better or that supporting PTI was wrong. PPP has run Sindh for nearly two decades and its literacy outcomes are not dramatically better. Punjab under the Sharifs built motorways and orange trains while the same learning poverty persisted underneath the optics. Every party, every government, every leader has failed this specific test in their own way.

Which brings it all back to the point I made earlier….The real issue is not which party you support. It is that Pakistanis across the board, supporters of every party, keep evaluating governments on the wrong things. On slogans, on personality, on symbolic projects, on who your opponent is rather than what you yourself are building. Until the social habit of demanding measurable, sustained, unglamorous institutional outcomes changes, education reform will keep getting announced, budgeted, celebrated, and then quietly abandoned when the political cycle moves on.

And that is why the only realistic path at this point probably runs through non state intervention. Independent civil society monitoring, private and NGO programs, community accountability structures, and international technical partnerships that are insulated from political cycles rather than dependent on whichever party is in Islamabad or Peshawar this year.

Not because the state should be let off the hook, but because waiting for the state to fix itself from within, given everything this thread has been about, is itself a form of the same short-term magical thinking that keeps Pakistan stuck in the loop.

The initial single national syllabus will be shit. The initial national teacher training corps will be incompetent. The online classes will barely work.

However as long as it does not remain stagnant it will develop. I doubt that the West just invented O/A Levels or IB School System out of thin air. A lot of trial and error was involved.

It is also not like Pakistan would be starting from zero. It already has a public school system, Matric, FSc. It just needs to be universally adopted within Pakistan. A small minority will send their children to Madrassas and a further tiny elite will be left with schools like Aitchison.

It is boring to discuss school when there are sexier things like underpass, metro train, metro bus, airport renovations, motorways but these things clearly do not build a nation and Pakistan desperately needs to flatten its society from the current tiered feudal system.

 

[Gripen9]

boss a brief history of my existence in Karachi

Born and Raised: F.B.Area Block 12, saw 92 operations with my eyes, went to Govt College For Men Nazimabad, Nanni's house was in Naziambad number 4, in laws were at Nazimabad gol market, have majority of my maternal side living in Nazimabad, N.Naziambad, Johar etc, have lived on both sides of the bridge

While i do agree with you that things are grim and are certainly not even close to a first world country but not that grim as you think, we have a lot of people living near or under poverty line for sure but boss ye karachi hai ... idhur koi bhooka nahin soota

Have they fixed University road?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Have they fixed University road?

no actually gave the project to FWO

karachi zindabad !!

 

[Gripen9]

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no actually gave the project to FWO

karachi zindabad !!

I went to NED back in 2000 and it was ripped up. My friend's daughter just graduated from NED and it is still ripped up. So 2 generations have watched it being "worked on".

 

[Oscar]

The initial single national syllabus will be shit. The initial national teacher training corps will be incompetent. The online classes will barely work.

However as long as it does not remain stagnant it will develop. I doubt that the West just invented O/A Levels or IB School System out of thin air. A lot of trial and error was involved.

It is also not like Pakistan would be starting from zero. It already has a public school system, Matric, FSc. It just needs to be universally adopted within Pakistan. A small minority will send their children to Madrassas and a further tiny elite will be left with schools like Aitchison.

It is boring to discuss school when there are sexier things like underpass, metro train, metro bus, airport renovations, motorways but these things clearly do not build a nation and Pakistan desperately needs to flatten its society from the current tiered feudal system.

کون کرے گا ؟
For reasons outlined earlier PTI has failed
Establishment has failed
Pakistanis have failed overall in general.
So how does this utopia get implemented?

 

[Oscar]

Have they fixed University road?

Karachi is actually governed under a multiple stakeholder no accountability structure (happy to find my post on it and link it here) compared to the Sultanate of Lahore.

 

[baqai]

Have they fixed University road?

that's one of Qayamt ki akhri nishani

on serious note, project has been given to FWO and now I hope it would be completed soon

 

[Gripen9]

that's one of Qayamt ki akhri nishani

on serious note, project has been given to FWO and now I hope it would be completed soon

I half expect pavers to be put there as well.

 

[baqai]

I half expect pavers to be put there as well.

would be better than nothing at all to be honest

 

[Goenitz]

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[Olympus81]

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The sisters have nothing to do with politics and yet they aren’t allowed to meet IK.

These cucks have lost the plot.

One wonders if they have any fear of the Akhira.

 

[VCheng]

The sisters have nothing to do with politics and yet they aren’t allowed to meet IK.

And yet they insist on making a political spectacle out of their attempted visits still, in violation of the rules for family visits.

 

[Taimoor]

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[Irfan Baloch]

Request to decent PTI supporters that use solcial media and whatsapp group to avoid spamming the execution videos uploaded by terrorists.
there is a video circulating that I have seen where an unforunate civilian most likely from south Punjab is executed by the terrorists . now this video is being liked and posted by people with Imran Khan DP on social media as response to all posts that are Pakistan army related.

please just post Imran khan pictures if you need to confront the posts praising Pakistan goverment and Pakistan army. leave this poor guy alone, he or his family members may have been supporters of PTI? I am not posting actual video beause its very disturning.

reason to post this here is to ensure that my fellow respectable PTI supporters will not be part of spreading the terrorist material just for once.
I dont have much issue with our brothers sharing and liking Afghan Taliban videos against Pakistan army but mocking the killing of civilians is too low.

many thanks in advance