Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

It's okay. Let them overestimate their advantages, and underestimate ours. That can only be good. :D
It is America that has been vastly over estimating itself for the last half century and wasting its money, blood and time on one blackhole conflict after another.
 
Projecting power is difficult,

Most countries of the world are weak, so projecting power against Kenya, Cambodia, Jamaica etc isn't too difficult for the U.S

But their are a few countries like Iran, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, France, UK that it's just dangerous and difficult

The Iran war has proven that and if China was serious about taking Taiwan it could do so and their was nothing the U.S can do about it


they have depleted their missiles stocks to dangerously low levelsl
 
Well, over/under estimate is when you say something you might regret, this is basically just outright ignorant

Exactly my point - letting their ignorance flourish can only be good. It is not up to us to reduce it for them! :D
 
It is America that has been vastly over estimating itself for the last half century and wasting its money, blood and time on one blackhole conflict after another.

For America's enemies, it is good thing that USA is making that mistake. Please let us do so in our own way, and thus there is no issue here at all. :D
 
depends on how you see things, really.

If you are looking at how you can decapacitate your enemy, then this playbook is what you should follow

On the other hand, if you are looking at this and think "how do I start a war" this is probably not an example I will say we should learn from.
But the US failed to decapacitate Iran too. The country and its government is alive and functioning. Sure the US did decapitate the leadership , and then discovered the downsides of a decapitation strategy that fails to break the opposing side. You now have American officials moaning about Iranian leadership that needs time to settle and lacks the stature to sell any deal with the US to their countrymen. Time that the US doesn't have.

China has not done such idiotic self harm to itself or its reputation.
 
Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

Not only did today's conflict exacerbate shortages, it also exposed how unprepared we are for a true Great Power war

JENNIFER KAVANAGH
APR 29, 2026

These days, everyone in Washington is talking about U.S. missile stockpiles. The previously niche topic has been thrust onto the front page of major newspapers and is discussed daily on television and radio programming.

And for good reason. After the war in Iran severely depleted U.S. missile reserves, including its most sophisticated air defense and offensive weapons, there are growing questions about the ability of the U.S. military to do what is required to defend U.S. interests, especially in the near-term.

The news gets much worse, however. Not only did the first 40 days of conflict with Iran exacerbate shortages of expensive and exquisite U.S. munitions; they have also shown that the United States is not ready for a major power war.

Though the U.S. military was able to achieve individual tactical successes in Iran, the conflict and its outcome have sharply undercut key principles of U.S. military strategy and raised doubts about the viability of U.S. contingency plans, in particular for a future war in Asia. Moving forward, the United States will need to recalibrate its commitments to better match the realities of modern warfare and the growing limits on U.S. military power.

A war against Iran and one in Asia (over Taiwan for instance) would look different in many ways, especially given that the former is offensive and the latter would most likely be defensive. But there are several notable similarities. First, as in the Middle East, in Asia, the United States would rely heavily on forward bases across the region to launch aircraft and house logistics and combat support capabilities. It would depend on ground-based air defense and a network of radars and sensors to protect those bases and to inform U.S. missile targeting.

Second, in Asia as in Iran, the U.S. military would exploit fighter jets, bombers, and warships using stand-off weapons alongside ground-based missiles to fire at adversary air defenses, radars, and missile launchers. It would also target hostile aircraft and naval vessels including those supporting an amphibious invasion or those setting up a blockade.

Third, in the case of a war over Taiwan, the United States plans to use drones to create a “hellscape” for Chinese forces, preventing their ability to advance through the sea, air, or on the ground. Drones also featured heavily in Iran, with the U.S. military debuting new systems.

The Iran war, fought with a weaker adversary, challenges each of these foundational pillars of the U.S. military strategy for future major power wars, whether against China or otherwise.

Perhaps most importantly, the Iran war casts serious doubt on the utility and viability of U.S. forward bases in a major conflict. After the United States attacked Iran on February 28, U.S. bases across the region were not sources of strength but massive liabilities and easy targets. From the war’s first days, U.S. bases suffered heavy drone and missile attacks and were even reportedly bombed by Iranian fighter jets.

The damage suffered by U.S. bases across the Middle East was staggering. Infrastructure, air defense systems, and ground-based sensors and radars were destroyed. Pricey U.S. aircraft, including refuelers and AWACS early warning jets, were damaged. In fact, bases across the Middle East were so susceptible to adversary attack that U.S. military personnel could no longer operate out of them and were instead forced to work from nearby locations and hotels.

If bases in the Middle East are not defensible, the Pentagon cannot assume that those spread across the Pacific will be either. In fact, many or most may be largely un-usable, especially in the crucial early days of any war.

Another key result in the Middle East that should set off alarm bells across the Pentagon’s senior leadership is Iran’s ability to damage and degrade the sensors and radars that support the U.S. regional air defense network, a military success for Iran that left U.S. bases exposed.

The United States has long relied on ground-based air defense systems to protect U.S. personnel, infrastructure, and assets from adversary missiles. But Iran was able to effectively disable these systems, suggesting that this approach to force protection is entirely insufficient in a world of “precise mass” where even weak adversaries have advanced targeting capabilities. If the U.S. ground-based air defense network could not survive against Iran, it is most certainly inadequate for a war with China.

The U.S. experience against Iran also raises questions about U.S. plans to rely primarily on stand-off weapons to strike Chinese ships and military targets in an Indo-Pacific contingency. Although this strategy evolved as a response to China’s anti-access/air denial capabilities, which will make operating close to the mainland coast impossible, the war in Iran suggests that the stand-off approach may be limited in what it can accomplish.

Although the U.S. military was effective in destroying much of Iran’s air defenses, reports suggest that it was only able to eliminate perhaps 50 percent of the country’s missiles and missile launchers and an even smaller portion of its drone production. Indeed, although Iran’s rate of fire collapsed significantly after the first few days of the war, the United States was never able to fully suppress Iran’s missile fire or stop it from launching drones at U.S. and Gulf state targets. U.S. forces are likely to fare much worse in a campaign to disable China’s missile and drone capabilities, given China’s more advanced air defense and deeper missile arsenal.

Moreover, in this type of contested environment, goals like air superiority and sea control are largely out of reach even for the United States. Although the U.S. military did eventually achieve a degree of air dominance over Iran, this did not eliminate risk to U.S. aircraft. The constraints on U.S. naval power were even more extensive. Not only were U.S. warships forced to operate at a distance from Iranian coasts because of missile and drone threats, but the ability of the U.S. Navy to control the waters off Iran’s coast was limited. The U.S. blockade let through at least as many Iranian ships as it diverted.

In a war in Asia, U.S. warships would face even greater challenges. In a worst case scenario, aircraft carriers and destroyers could be forced to operate beyond the second island chain, reducing their value in a defense of Taiwan or an effort to blockade Chinese ports.

Finally, there is the issue of drones. Iran had the clear advantage here, both in the air and undersea. The United States is far from being competitive in the drone space, let alone ready to create a hellscape for China, one of the industry’s leaders.

The bottom line is that the Iran war has cast a spotlight on the flaws and weaknesses in U.S. military strategy, both in general and specifically as it pertains to contingencies in Asia. The United States has for decades assumed that its forward bases will be defensible and that power projection assets such as bombers, aircraft carriers, and fighter jets will allow the United States to prevail in military contests even far from home.

It has assumed that it can dominate the air and the seas and protect assets on the ground, even close to adversary terrain.

If these things were ever true, they are not anymore. Money and time can fix munitions shortages in the medium term, but they cannot solve these more serious and, in many ways, intractable strategic shortcomings. In an increasingly multipolar world where access to military power has been democratized and the United States has a smaller advantage than in the past, what the United States can achieve with military force will be more limited. U.S. strategic aims and ambitions will need to adjust accordingly.
No offence, take that tiny little island off your coast first before thinking about taking on US.
 
But the US failed to decapacitate Iran too. The country and its government is alive and functioning. Sure the US did decapitate the leadership , and then discovered the downsides of a decapitation strategy that fails to break the opposing side. You now have American officials moaning about Iranian leadership that needs time to settle and lacks the stature to sell any deal with the US to their countrymen. Time that the US doesn't have.

China has not done such idiotic self harm to itself or its reputation.
It actually had, you don't need to completely neutralise a country to decapacitate it. The fact that the US had taken out the supreme leader and 6/7 of its leadership and basically destroyed 90% of Iranian defence means the country is gone. If we had followed up with a ground invasion, yes, this would have been costly, but the US military would have been able to overthrow the government because if ground troops were used, there wouldn't have been much left to defend a conventional invasion.

The problem is, if that is your goal, you won't do it that way. First of all, if the US really wants to invade Iran, the first step the US would have and should have done is to get the allies on board, and then start a plan to invade through the land and the sea, that way you would be able to achieve what they wanted, but this is not how they fight this war.

Which brings to my earlier point, not all problems are going to be solved with force, and this is not exactly how I would start a war.
 
China will be equal when they militarily intervene to defend SCO members. Usa/EU defends its allies, even disputed nation like Taiwan and non ally Ukraine.
SCO currently is a security org not a military org like NATO, the members have no obligations to defend each other in case of invasions or wars. China probably will never get itself into military alliances that it has to defend others' wars.
 
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People seem to forget that in terms of military power in Iran, the US uses less than 1/3 of its Navy and 1/5 of the Air Force, and no ground troops to achieve complete dominant on a country 8000 miles away. Can China replicate the same vis-à-vis 8000 miles away in places like Africa? If the Chinese can do that using 1/3 of their Navy and 1/5 of their air force, then yes. China will be "Equal" to the US

Just because there are no strategic winnable goals (which is not really a military defeat, but rather a political shortsightedness) does not mean the US military power is useless. Not all goals are achievable by force, that is true whether or not we are talking about the US war in Iran or some other war involving the Chinese in the future.
However, the truth is that since the Gulf War, the majority of America's global interventions over the past half-century have been failures. They haven't established a world system dominated by the US. At least for now, the Chinese believe we can achieve our goals of gaining markets and raw materials through trade, infrastructure investment, and joint development of energy and minerals. There's no need to spend a lot of money and military power on regions where our interests aren't fundamentally aligned.
 
It actually had, you don't need to completely neutralise a country to decapacitate it. The fact that the US had taken out the supreme leader and 6/7 of its leadership and basically destroyed 90% of Iranian defence means the country is gone. If we had followed up with a ground invasion, yes, this would have been costly, but the US military would have been able to overthrow the government because if ground troops were used, there wouldn't have been much left to defend a conventional invasion.

The problem is, if that is your goal, you won't do it that way. First of all, if the US really wants to invade Iran, the first step the US would have and should have done is to get the allies on board, and then start a plan to invade through the land and the sea, that way you would be able to achieve what they wanted, but this is not how they fight this war.

Which brings to my earlier point, not all problems are going to be solved with force, and this is not exactly how I would start a war.
Some time ago, when the Americans were rescuing the F-15 pilot who had ejected, the US Central Command stated that every Iranian they encountered, as long as they had a gun, was firing at US aircraft.
This shows that the vast majority of Iranians are standing by their own country in the face of aggression from the US and Israel. And let's not forget, Iran is the only industrial country in the Middle East besides Türkiye. Although Iran may struggle to produce advanced destroyers and fighter jets, they're more than capable of manufacturing rifles, anti-tank missiles, and artillery. Plus, Iran is a country with a majority of mountainous terrain. The Americans wouldn't be able to annihilate the main forces of the Iranian Army and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps like they did in the 1991 Gulf War.
 
China has proven absolutely nothing with its military except that it can show off its shiny new toys. It didn't even come to Iran's aid, its friend and ally. China needs to do more than build up its muscle.
And what your India a strategic partner of Iran more than China is doing all this time ? Backstabbed Iran in the back and stopped buying Iranian oil years ago because of Uncle Sam's order ?
 
However, the truth is that since the Gulf War, the majority of America's global interventions over the past half-century have been failures. They haven't established a world system dominated by the US. At least for now, the Chinese believe we can achieve our goals of gaining markets and raw materials through trade, infrastructure investment, and joint development of energy and minerals. There's no need to spend a lot of money and military power on regions where our interests aren't fundamentally aligned.
Again, most of the "failures" are not military failures. The military can only get you this far. How do you suppose we should do a "nation-building" mission with the military alone? Are we going to stay in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan forever? On the other hand, how are we going to get what we want from Iran just with force alone? Even if we invade and occupy Iran, how long are we going to stay there? Because unless there is a political solution to the problem, once our troops leave, that's it, they will just revert back to the old stage, and that is exactly what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Korea is still there because we still have troops there, 70 years after the war......Are we going to annex Vietnam or Afghanistan? Or are we going to get into a 70 years nation building mission?
 
Some time ago, when the Americans were rescuing the F-15 pilot who had ejected, the US Central Command stated that every Iranian they encountered, as long as they had a gun, was firing at US aircraft.
This shows that the vast majority of Iranians are standing by their own country in the face of aggression from the US and Israel. And let's not forget, Iran is the only industrial country in the Middle East besides Türkiye. Although Iran may struggle to produce advanced destroyers and fighter jets, they're more than capable of manufacturing rifles, anti-tank missiles, and artillery. Plus, Iran is a country with a majority of mountainous terrain. The Americans wouldn't be able to annihilate the main forces of the Iranian Army and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps like they did in the 1991 Gulf War.
If you have to use farmers to fight a war with a professional army, you have already lost that war. You may be able to hang on long enough for us to commit political suicide, but during that stage of occupation. You will not have a military answer to the problem if we are looking at it from a purely military point of view. Because that only means we had to create an opening, where we can shift things around.

The problem is, as I said before, you can't shift things around indefinitely without a political compromise. Becuase again, you are talking about how you can form a government to quell and subdue any insurgency, that you can't achieve with military might alone, you have to do it with political influence.
 
If you have to use farmers to fight a war with a professional army, you have already lost that war. You may be able to hang on long enough for us to commit political suicide, but during that stage of occupation. You will not have a military answer to the problem if we are looking at it from a purely military point of view. Because that only means we had to create an opening, where we can shift things around.

The problem is, as I said before, you can't shift things around indefinitely without a political compromise. Becuase again, you are talking about how you can form a government to quell and subdue any insurgency, that you can't achieve with military might alone, you have to do it with political influence.
Rules of the game have changed...in earlier times it were kings and emperors fighting eachother , for the general public it was not much more than change of rulers ...now you fight against nations and you need different skill sets along with military power.
 

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