Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

People seem to forget that in terms of military power in Iran, the US uses less than 1/3 of its Navy and 1/5 of the Air Force, and no ground troops to achieve complete dominant on a country 8000 miles away. Can China replicate the same vis-à-vis 8000 miles away in places like Africa? If the Chinese can do that using 1/3 of their Navy and 1/5 of their air force, then yes. China will be "Equal" to the US

Just because there are no strategic winnable goals (which is not really a military defeat, but rather a political shortsightedness) does not mean the US military power is useless. Not all goals are achievable by force, that is true whether or not we are talking about the US war in Iran or some other war involving the Chinese in the future.
To what end? None of these force projections thousands of miles away from home has yielded America any strategic gains, stalemated in Korea, lost in Vietnam, gave Iraq on a platter to Iran, lost in Afghanistan and losing against Iran.

Against Iran specifically US went up against a mid-tiered powered, one that was crippled with sanctions for 47 years with no modern AF or Navy, but still unable to dominate. In fact US has never fought a near peer enemy at anytime in its history and only dominated mid-tiered/near-peer nations with full support of its allies. Now that it is seeing some real opposition with Iran which barely has a mid-tiered military it is struggling majorly.
 
This^ The circle jerking here is strong
dude all that was said is that a US that cannot defeat an isolated sanctioned to the eyeballs country like Iran or sandal wearing cavemen in Afghanistan or rice paddy farmers in Vietnam should forget about confronting and beating China.

American blood, treasure and time could be used for better purposes the military and yet another war.
 
Iran killed any delusions of US military domination over China

Not only did today's conflict exacerbate shortages, it also exposed how unprepared we are for a true Great Power war

JENNIFER KAVANAGH
APR 29, 2026

These days, everyone in Washington is talking about U.S. missile stockpiles. The previously niche topic has been thrust onto the front page of major newspapers and is discussed daily on television and radio programming.

And for good reason. After the war in Iran severely depleted U.S. missile reserves, including its most sophisticated air defense and offensive weapons, there are growing questions about the ability of the U.S. military to do what is required to defend U.S. interests, especially in the near-term.

The news gets much worse, however. Not only did the first 40 days of conflict with Iran exacerbate shortages of expensive and exquisite U.S. munitions; they have also shown that the United States is not ready for a major power war.

Though the U.S. military was able to achieve individual tactical successes in Iran, the conflict and its outcome have sharply undercut key principles of U.S. military strategy and raised doubts about the viability of U.S. contingency plans, in particular for a future war in Asia. Moving forward, the United States will need to recalibrate its commitments to better match the realities of modern warfare and the growing limits on U.S. military power.

A war against Iran and one in Asia (over Taiwan for instance) would look different in many ways, especially given that the former is offensive and the latter would most likely be defensive. But there are several notable similarities. First, as in the Middle East, in Asia, the United States would rely heavily on forward bases across the region to launch aircraft and house logistics and combat support capabilities. It would depend on ground-based air defense and a network of radars and sensors to protect those bases and to inform U.S. missile targeting.

Second, in Asia as in Iran, the U.S. military would exploit fighter jets, bombers, and warships using stand-off weapons alongside ground-based missiles to fire at adversary air defenses, radars, and missile launchers. It would also target hostile aircraft and naval vessels including those supporting an amphibious invasion or those setting up a blockade.

Third, in the case of a war over Taiwan, the United States plans to use drones to create a “hellscape” for Chinese forces, preventing their ability to advance through the sea, air, or on the ground. Drones also featured heavily in Iran, with the U.S. military debuting new systems.

The Iran war, fought with a weaker adversary, challenges each of these foundational pillars of the U.S. military strategy for future major power wars, whether against China or otherwise.

Perhaps most importantly, the Iran war casts serious doubt on the utility and viability of U.S. forward bases in a major conflict. After the United States attacked Iran on February 28, U.S. bases across the region were not sources of strength but massive liabilities and easy targets. From the war’s first days, U.S. bases suffered heavy drone and missile attacks and were even reportedly bombed by Iranian fighter jets.

The damage suffered by U.S. bases across the Middle East was staggering. Infrastructure, air defense systems, and ground-based sensors and radars were destroyed. Pricey U.S. aircraft, including refuelers and AWACS early warning jets, were damaged. In fact, bases across the Middle East were so susceptible to adversary attack that U.S. military personnel could no longer operate out of them and were instead forced to work from nearby locations and hotels.

If bases in the Middle East are not defensible, the Pentagon cannot assume that those spread across the Pacific will be either. In fact, many or most may be largely un-usable, especially in the crucial early days of any war.

Another key result in the Middle East that should set off alarm bells across the Pentagon’s senior leadership is Iran’s ability to damage and degrade the sensors and radars that support the U.S. regional air defense network, a military success for Iran that left U.S. bases exposed.

The United States has long relied on ground-based air defense systems to protect U.S. personnel, infrastructure, and assets from adversary missiles. But Iran was able to effectively disable these systems, suggesting that this approach to force protection is entirely insufficient in a world of “precise mass” where even weak adversaries have advanced targeting capabilities. If the U.S. ground-based air defense network could not survive against Iran, it is most certainly inadequate for a war with China.

The U.S. experience against Iran also raises questions about U.S. plans to rely primarily on stand-off weapons to strike Chinese ships and military targets in an Indo-Pacific contingency. Although this strategy evolved as a response to China’s anti-access/air denial capabilities, which will make operating close to the mainland coast impossible, the war in Iran suggests that the stand-off approach may be limited in what it can accomplish.

Although the U.S. military was effective in destroying much of Iran’s air defenses, reports suggest that it was only able to eliminate perhaps 50 percent of the country’s missiles and missile launchers and an even smaller portion of its drone production. Indeed, although Iran’s rate of fire collapsed significantly after the first few days of the war, the United States was never able to fully suppress Iran’s missile fire or stop it from launching drones at U.S. and Gulf state targets. U.S. forces are likely to fare much worse in a campaign to disable China’s missile and drone capabilities, given China’s more advanced air defense and deeper missile arsenal.

Moreover, in this type of contested environment, goals like air superiority and sea control are largely out of reach even for the United States. Although the U.S. military did eventually achieve a degree of air dominance over Iran, this did not eliminate risk to U.S. aircraft. The constraints on U.S. naval power were even more extensive. Not only were U.S. warships forced to operate at a distance from Iranian coasts because of missile and drone threats, but the ability of the U.S. Navy to control the waters off Iran’s coast was limited. The U.S. blockade let through at least as many Iranian ships as it diverted.

In a war in Asia, U.S. warships would face even greater challenges. In a worst case scenario, aircraft carriers and destroyers could be forced to operate beyond the second island chain, reducing their value in a defense of Taiwan or an effort to blockade Chinese ports.

Finally, there is the issue of drones. Iran had the clear advantage here, both in the air and undersea. The United States is far from being competitive in the drone space, let alone ready to create a hellscape for China, one of the industry’s leaders.

The bottom line is that the Iran war has cast a spotlight on the flaws and weaknesses in U.S. military strategy, both in general and specifically as it pertains to contingencies in Asia. The United States has for decades assumed that its forward bases will be defensible and that power projection assets such as bombers, aircraft carriers, and fighter jets will allow the United States to prevail in military contests even far from home.

It has assumed that it can dominate the air and the seas and protect assets on the ground, even close to adversary terrain.

If these things were ever true, they are not anymore. Money and time can fix munitions shortages in the medium term, but they cannot solve these more serious and, in many ways, intractable strategic shortcomings. In an increasingly multipolar world where access to military power has been democratized and the United States has a smaller advantage than in the past, what the United States can achieve with military force will be more limited. U.S. strategic aims and ambitions will need to adjust accordingly.

From a pure military standpoint, the US military completely dominated the battle space:

- 90% of Iranian missile, drone, and naval production facilities destroyed.
- 60% of Iranian drones expended or destroyed. 50% of Iranian missiles expended or destroyed in less than 40 days of combat
- Over 90% of Iranian conventional large naval vessels destroyed. 50% of IRGC small attack boats destroyed
- Iranian Air Force destroyed
- The US and allied integrated air defenses shot down 1,700 drone and ballistic missiles. The vast majority 80-90% of fired munitions were intercepted.
- The US suffered about $5B worth of base infrastructure damage, but Iranian fires had minimal impact on US operational tempo. Most of the base damage was done on abandoned bases in close proximity to Iran
- US aircraft and equipment losses were minimal overall
- Minimal US casualties at 13, with only 7 to direct combat. About 400+ wounded, with 90% of that returning to duty.
 
- 90% of Iranian missile, drone, and naval production facilities destroyed.
- 60% of Iranian drones expended or destroyed. 50% of Iranian missiles expended or destroyed in less than 40 days of combat
- Over 90% of Iranian conventional large naval vessels destroyed. 50% of IRGC small attack boats destroyed
- Iranian Air Force destroyed
- The US and allied integrated air defenses shot down 1,700 drone and ballistic missiles
Mr Raptor who lives in another universe - where is your verifiable proof for these fake news claims?

Who went down to those missile bases and storage facilities to count the before and after inventory? whos back side (probably Hesgith the moron) are you pulling these numbers from?

Irans airforce fighter jets escorted FM Munir....so their air force destroyed another lie you have been caught with.

Dude stop the lies give proof or shut up.
 
this was the last war US goes to and never comes back defeating their enemies

and I think Chinese military satellites had a very big role to play
 
Mr Raptor who lives in another universe - where is your verifiable proof for these fake news claims?

Who went down to those missile bases and storage facilities to count the before and after inventory? whos back side (probably Hesgith the moron) are you pulling these numbers from?

Irans airforce fighter jets escorted FM Munir....so their air force destroyed another lie you have been caught with.

Dude stop the lies give proof or shut up.

My source is US Joint Chairman Gen Caine and US intelligence estimates on remaining Iranian drone and missile stocks.

The US military completely dominated the kinetic portion of this war. They did this in less than 40 days of combat. For comparison, it took the US more than a year just to gain a foothold in the Pacific in WW2.
 
My source is US Joint Chairman Gen Caine and US intelligence estimates on remaining Iranian drone and missile stocks.
So your source is Pete hegseth who tried to pass a prayer from pulp fiction as a prayer out of the bible, ok so you are following fake news as I had thought.

The US failed in militarily action didn't achieve a single key objective, now if you want to use useless objectives to say how successful Epic failure was thats your choice, but most people living outside of your bubble can read and see neutral sources who all are saying if things are left as they are, this is a strategic defeat for the US.
 
this was the last war US goes to and never comes back defeating their enemies

and I think Chinese military satellites had a very big role to play

The US military absolutely defeated the Iranian military, decisively so in fact. The US military was not tasked to overthrow the regime, extract the HEU, or open the Strait.
 
this was the last war US goes to and never comes back defeating their enemies

and I think Chinese military satellites had a very big role to play
I said multiple times in numerous threads, if China go's for Taiwan and parks its 2-3 battle groups around it the USN wont be seen for dust, the Iran war re-enforced that theory.
 
So your source is Pete hegseth who tried to pass a prayer from pulp fiction as a prayer out of the bible, ok so you are following fake news as I had thought.

The US failed in militarily action didn't achieve a single key objective, now if you want to use useless objectives to say how successful Epic failure was thats your choice, but most people living outside of your bubble can read and see neutral sources who all are saying if things are left as they are, this is a strategic defeat for the US.

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- US core goals were the military objectives above.

- The nuclear issue remains undecided, but 80% of Irans nuclear industrial base is destroyed, and most of the HEU is buried from Operation Midnight Hammer

- The Strait is controlled by the US, as Iranian ports are blockaded, which in fact is an act of war and Iran has failed to respond to.
 
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- US core goals were the military objectives above.

- The nuclear issue remains undecided, but 80% of Irans nuclear industrial base is destroyed, and most of the HEU is buried from Operation Midnight Hammer

- The Strait is controlled by the US, as Iranian ports are blockaded, which in fact is an act of war and Iran has failed to respond to.

General Cain can not prove what his saying, its hearsay, his following what Hegseth tells him.

The US attacked Iran for regime change, trump go's on about it all the time - that was a failure.

The US wanted to take control of the Uranium as according to trump June last year they obliterated the nuclear program, so why does he keep saying to give the uranium over - another failure.

The gulfies got pounded like theres no tomorrow, where was the US stellar defences? last I saw all Thaad radars were destroyed, US failed to protect the gulfies

US could not disable a single missile base, that is the real currency of the war when you look at Iran's defensive and offensive capability.

The SOH which was open before the war is now controlled by Iran, no ship can enter it or leave without Irans permission. Countries are now paying a toll to leave.

The US blockade is hundreds of miles off the SOH and has failed to stop 52 Iranian vessels in last 72-hour period alone according to reports.

Trump is begging for an agreement, his so unhinged his tweeting about Iran multiple times a day. Talk about insecurity, cant blame him he knows what a loser looks like.
 
General Cain can not prove what his saying, its hearsay, his following what Hegseth tells him.

The US attacked Iran for regime change, trump go's on about it all the time - that was a failure.

The US wanted to take control of the Uranium as according to trump June last year they obliterated the nuclear program, so why does he keep saying to give the uranium over - another failure.

The gulfies got pounded like theres no tomorrow, where was the US stellar defences? last I saw all Thaad radars were destroyed, US failed to protect the gulfies

US could not disable a single missile base, that is the real currency of the war when you look at Iran's defensive and offensive capability.

The SOH which was open before the war is now controlled by Iran, no ship can enter it or leave without Irans permission. Countries are now paying a toll to leave.

The US blockade is hundreds of miles off the SOH and has failed to stop 52 Iranian vessels in last 72-hour period alone according to reports.

Trump is begging for an agreement, his so unhinged his tweeting about Iran multiple times a day. Talk about insecurity, cant blame him he knows what a loser looks like.

I stopped reading at “Gen Caine can’t prove what he is saying.” You are living in your own delusions.
 
I stopped reading at “Gen Caine can’t prove what he is saying.” You are living in your own delusions.
Yes US admin is full of BS, they cant be trusted on what they say. Trump was saying in the beginning Iran fired a tomahawk at its own school...bunch of morons running the US. So you can believe their BS but most of the world doesnt.

Normally those making claims need to back it with with evidence Caine has given zero evidence.
 
This^ The circle jerking here is strong

Yes, but the entertainment value is undeniable with gems like these that keep coming: :D



"US had long lost its capabilities to wage overseas wars"

"if China was serious about taking Taiwan it could do so and their was nothing the U.S can do about it"

"US exposed as a joker also means Israel as just a pushover!"

"America that has been vastly over estimating itself for the last half century"

"since the Gulf War, the majority of America's global interventions over the past half-century have been failures. They haven't established a world system dominated by the US."

"None of these force projections thousands of miles away from home has yielded America any strategic gains, stalemated in Korea, lost in Vietnam, gave Iraq on a platter to Iran, lost in Afghanistan and losing against Iran"

"a US that cannot defeat an isolated sanctioned to the eyeballs country like Iran or sandal wearing cavemen in Afghanistan or rice paddy farmers in Vietnam should forget about confronting and beating China"

"this was the last war US goes to and never comes back"

"The US failed in militarily action didn't achieve a single key objective"

"if China go's for Taiwan and parks its 2-3 battle groups around it the USN wont be seen for dust, the Iran war re-enforced that theory."
 
I said multiple times in numerous threads, if China go's for Taiwan and parks its 2-3 battle groups around it the USN wont be seen for dust, the Iran war re-enforced that theory.
Long before Iran war, most sane voices had been saying, if China invades Taiwan, good luck to Taiwanese cause Uncle Sam ain't coming to their rescue, especially after China fielded their hypersonic ASBM...
 

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