Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[东风夜放花千树]

Both France and India are in unison pain. I have been reading some hilarious French cope articles. It shouldn't be underestimated that the French are mourning.

For the French, the Rafale is the pinnacle of their defence related technological abilities. The French ego has been hurt and bruised badly after the taking down of their fighter jets. The French are already bad losers. The French have developed a dislike for Pakistan for quite a few years now. The loss of Rafale is not only an embarrassment from a technological viewpoint. There is also a great deal of psychological hurt.

We can analyze this issue from the perspective of international situations.

Trump demanded that NATO countries increase defense spending to 5% of GDP and also made territorial claims on Greenland. At the same time, Trump insulted European countries and repeatedly suggested withdrawing from NATO. Especially after Epstein's aggression toward Iran, Trump became even more dissatisfied with European countries.

Facing Trump's pressure and Russia's pressure, Europe proposed accelerating the 'European Defense Autonomy' plan. However, due to the U.S. F-35 joint program, Europe lost the technological accumulation of fifth-generation aircraft, and the U.S. controlled the key technologies. More importantly, India demonstrated that European weapons did not achieve the advertised effectiveness.

Here is a piece of data that needs attention.

From 2016 to 2020, U.S. weapons accounted for about 30% of total arms imports in Europe.

From 2020 to 2025, this proportion increased to 48%.

Among European member states within the NATO framework, this proportion is even higher, reaching 64%.

This is also the reason why Trump could confidently extort European countries: European military companies have already lost competitiveness. European countries have no choice but to rely on the U.S.

France, as the core country of Europe, has been actively promoting the 'European Defense Autonomy' plan. France believes this is a necessary measure to reduce Europe's reliance on U.S.-led security.

The May war dealt a significant blow to Europe's 'European Defense Autonomy' plan.

 

[Vapnope]

With the B models of the JF17, it is at 161 JF17s since the B's are combat capable.

Correct but i didnt change anything in PAF section.

 

[Toxic]

if these aholes want us to believe their BS about the P8 avoiding A2A missiles then they should not rant about downing a Saab in dinga.

Apparently these retards managed achieve what the Russians couldn't over 5 years of the Ukraine war, completely ignoring the fact that S-400 cannot even target anything at 300 KMs with it own radar due to the curvature of the earth.

 

[falcon34]

Tbh if they are not going to be honest about what happened why even make a documentary about it.
They could have just stayed silent

 

[falcon34]

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So what really what happened was it AWACS guided kill or it was just the J10Cs using their own radars, which raises many questions if J10had their radars on why didn't the rafales get the early warning

 

[side-winder]

So what really what happened was it AWACS guided kill or it was just the J10Cs using their own radars, which raises many questions if J10had their radars on why didn't the rafales get the early warning

Why should it be explained on an open forum?

 

[Waz]

Noticed all the talk of denying us water and Sindoor ongoing has died down?

Indian generals probably told Modi the truth about what may happen in the future....

China clandestine wise saw to the water issue. Remember an Indian professor here in the UK had to tell the Indian government that the water flows feeding many of their rivers has slowed, and he raised alarm on the Sutlej in particular. The rest Sindoor stuff the losses started to mount which made them panic.

 

[Waz]

The russians are getting battered by the ukrainians. IF india tries to attack Pakistan, hell will be unleashed on them and they know it. Their "millions of men" will become mincemeat IF they try anything. There are COUNTLESS ways Pakistan has to defeat india. Before operation sindoor, india was claiming that they will do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza. The rest is history. IF it EVER comes to a war of extermination, it won't be Pakistanis who will be exterminated.

What millions of men? Their population is aged as hell, it's average age is 30 which is ancient for a developing nation. Pakistan's large population is at 20. We can sustain it better.

 

[Toxic]

What millions of men? Their population is aged as hell, it's average age is 30 which is ancient for a developing nation. Pakistan's large population is at 20. We can sustain it better.

30 is far from aged, Ukraine has shown that people in their 40s and even 50s can still make effective soldiers.

 

[Waz]

Unrelated but these are the comments under instagram post of australian cricketer david warner when he posted picture of his little daughters in traditional Pakistani clothes with dupatta on their heads and all that after participating in psl

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Not a single comment is from any white australian. This is the cancer that exists in that society and this is the cancer Pakistan is up against

My ancestors had the right idea with these types.

 

[Waz]

30 is far from aged, Ukraine has shown that people in their 40s and even 50s can still make effective soldiers.

That is the average age dude, they're much older. You also may want to look at the whole thing of them being effective troops. The ones that are had prior military service, the rest were just liabilities, with that as well the youngsters performed better. Sky News ran a documentary on this which blew apart the whole numbers argument in this day and age.
We are also talking about the average Ukrainian here who is physically far more durable and stronger than the average Indian male.

 

[Toxic]

That is the average age dude, they're much older. You also may want to look at the whole thing of them being effective troops. The ones that are had prior military service, the rest were just liabilities, with that as well the youngsters performed better. Sky News ran a documentary on this which blew apart the whole numbers argument in this day and age.
We are also talking about the average Ukrainian here who is physically far more durable and stronger than the average Indian male.

They have the sheer numbers, even if the average age is 30 there are still a hundred million men younger then that, by comparison our average age is 27, is there a big physical difference between a 27yo and 30yo?

 

[Waz]

They have the sheer numbers, even if the average age is 30 there are still a hundred million men younger then that, by comparison our average age is 27, is there a big physical difference between a 27yo and 30yo?

Pakistan's average age is not 27 where have you got this from? It's 20.8.
That's the case on point that Pakistan will and can field a much younger army. The Indian upper median is beyond 30 and upwards hence their inability now to field large armies of young men. That ship sailed back in the 90's.

 

[Gripen9]

Aaj ki nayee shurli...
Is dafa humari taraf se

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[safriz]

So what really what happened was it AWACS guided kill or it was just the J10Cs using their own radars, which raises many questions if J10had their radars on why didn't the rafales get the early warning

The ACM Aurangzeb press conference was different. He said if you switch on your radar, you get seen .
Then there's this plots statement.
He does say a controller guided him and he knew where exactly the Rafale were .
So most probably the Awacs searched the Rafales, identified and relayed the targeting data.
The switching on the radar by J 10 may be a requirement for firing the missile.
Since the J 10 has AESA radar and already knew where to look. It is possible they switched on witj a narrow beam, locked on , fired the missile and switched off.
At the Rafale side , they must have noticed the lockon and then it was gone , and the J 10 must be at quite some distance.
So they didn't feel the need for evasive maneuver.
Then either no mid course guidance. Or the mid course guidance via AWACS , and then the missile arrives in the area, knowing where to look for.
The missile also being an AESA radar, also uses narrow beam, which may not have been picked up by RWR or was received and went away. Then boom
Just my theory. Or theories.

P.S They will not reveal the entire strategy they used, and will always give slightly vague and conflicting statements.