Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Prions can only spread when humans consume human corpses, and the higher the resistance of a nation to prions, the more human corpses it has consumed in history.

I have to stop you right there. There are many types of prions that can deform your proteins without coming from a human corpse. Mad cow disease is possibly the most famous one.

 

[MH.Yang]

I have to stop you right there. There are many types of prions that can deform your proteins without coming from a human corpse. Mad cow disease is possibly the most famous one.

Yes. In addition to consuming human corpses, the brains of cows that died from mad cow disease may also be infected with this virus.

Firstly, the extremely low levels of prion antibodies in the Han ethnic group are sufficient evidence that there were very few famines in Chinese history.

Secondly, do you think that China is the only country in the world without mad cows?

Let's stop discussing this issue now, as it has already moved away from the Iran War. This question originated from your defamation of Chinese civilization as a famine civilization, while I only used genetic and other evidence to prove that you were lying.


btw: I have a good idea. In the future, if someone accuses Chinese people of eating dog meat, we can accuse them of eating human flesh.

 

[ShapurII]

Yes. In addition to consuming human corpses, the brains of cows that died from mad cow disease may also be infected with this virus.

Firstly, the extremely low levels of prion antibodies in the Han ethnic group are sufficient evidence that there were very few famines in Chinese history.

Secondly, do you think that China is the only country in the world without mad cows?

Let's stop discussing this issue now, as it has already moved away from the Iran War. This question originated from your defamation of Chinese civilization as a famine civilization, while I only used genetic and other evidence to prove that you were lying.

Fair enough, let's leave it as it's off-topic, but just for the sake of correctness, prions are not a type of viruses.

A prion is a malformed protein that has the potential of deforming normal proteins that it can attach to. So, when it enters your body, it starts to deform your vital proteins. Sometimes it can even cause a chain reaction by turning newly deformed proteins into prions themselves.

My point was that China's success didn't come from food shortage and poverty like you were trying to frame it. It came from your trade and partnership with the US in the 80s and a bit of luck because they underestimated you. Capitalist greed and white supremacy clouded their judgement. Without that period, China might've never become a world power in science and technology in its present form. You might've ended up like Brazil, Russia or India. A strong country, but not one of the two or three leading nations in science and technology.

 

[ety]

My point was that China's success didn't come from food shortage and poverty like you were trying to frame it. It came from your trade and partnership with the US in the 80s and a bit of luck because they underestimated you. Capitalist greed and white supremacy clouded their judgement. Without that period, China might've never become a world power in science and technology in its present form. You might've ended up like Brazil, Russia or India. A strong country, but not one of the two or three leading nations in science and technology.

That shows you don't really understand Chinese people, society, history and cultures.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Israel is a colonial state. If they fear a credible threat, their whole plan of Greater Israel will crumble. Who wants to immigrate to a country where his life would be in danger?

It's been all fun for them so far. They attack other countries around them and think they are so superior because they enjoy the unconditional support of the US and the West. Once this unconditional support is stopped, they will no longer be so willing to pick on a country like Iran, which is about 100x their size and has 10x their population.

I will simply have to disagree with this statement. mielkowski's hebrew speeches show they are planning for a time when world opinion will be against them. They talk about having "conquered" india and being able to use them as a labor force to produce armaments for them on their domestic tv networks. Spread their evangelical cult around countries like SK and the Phillipines is also part of this plan. They are actively diversifying their international support networks in anticipation of losing western support.

The US does care about casualties if it starts to exceed a certain threshold. So far, the Americans think the Iran war is a joke. They attacked Iran, decapitated the Iranian leadership, destroyed our air force and navy, and our nuclear program, and lost only 13 soldiers. If you explain that to an American, they will say it was worth it. The only negative impact of the war so far has been gas prices but that's about all, and Trump has repeatedly promised that gas prices would go down as soon as the war is over. They need body bags to return home to understand that the war is real.

Americans civic dissent is a joke and has been for decades. No protest movements have caused meaningful change since the end of the Cold War. Body bags returned from Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing happened. 50,000 dead didn't deter the US in Vietnam for years and they even went as far as massacring their own people on a college campus before eventually withdrawing.

 

[ShapurII]

That shows you don't really understand Chinese people, society, history and cultures.

You are falling into the same situation that led to the downfall of the European world. The idea of supremacy. What makes you think you are so different from Brazil, India or Russia?

Nobody considered China to be a leading nation in science or technology before the 80s. Am I wrong? I know for a fact that before the 21st century, you were years or even decades behind the Russians/Soviets.

Japan was a leading country in mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine and even arts and media, but not China. So, if you are that inherently superior, why didn't you produce cutting edge electronics before you normalized your relations with the US?

 

[MH.Yang]

Fair enough, let's leave it as it's off-topic, but just for the sake of correctness, prions are not a type of viruses.

A prion is a malformed protein that has the potential of deforming normal proteins that it can attach to. So, when it enters your body, it starts to deform your vital proteins. Sometimes it can even cause a chain reaction by turning newly deformed proteins into prions themselves.

My point was that China's success didn't come from food shortage and poverty like you were trying to frame it. It came from your trade and partnership with the US in the 80s and a bit of luck because they underestimated you. Capitalist greed and white supremacy clouded their judgement. Without that period, China might've never become a world power in science and technology in its present form. You might've ended up like Brazil, Russia or India. A strong country, but not one of the two or three leading nations in science and technology.

When global capital undergoes its fourth industrial transfer, they have multiple options including China, India, Southeast Asia, and more.

There is a reason why China, as a communist country, has won the favor of global capital, not because of the underestimation of the United States.

At that time, China had already popularized nine-year compulsory education and had a literacy rate of 90+%. The average life expectancy is over 70 years old, and the people are generally healthy. They are qualified and have a large number of industrial workers. Having qualified infrastructure such as railways, ports, and electricity. Having a foundation in heavy industry and a relatively complete industrial chain.

This is the real reason why China can defeat countries such as India. These conditions are not given to us by God, but rather accumulated over decades of poverty.

Similarly, Iranians need to understand that enduring current hardships for the future is worth it.

 

[ety]

You are falling into the same situation that led to the downfall of the European world. The idea of supremacy. What makes you think you are so different from Brazil, India or Russia?

Nobody considered China to be a leading nation in science or technology before the 80s. Am I wrong? I know for a fact that before the 21st century, you were years or even decades behind the Russians/Soviets.

Japan was a leading country in mathematics, physics, chemistry, medicine and even arts and media, but not China. So, if you are that inherently superior, why didn't you produce cutting edge electronics before you normalized your relations with the US?

I am not saying Chinese are inherently superior. I am just saying the political, societal and cultural esp work ethics are very different from those of Brazil, India and Russia. For one thing, you will never see such chaotic, undisciplined and unplanned state in China as compared to those countries, the opposites are required for massive modern industrialization.

 

[ShapurII]

I will simply have to disagree with this statement. mielkowski's hebrew speeches show they are planning for a time when world opinion will be against them. They talk about having "conquered" india and being able to use them as a labor force to produce armaments for them on their domestic tv networks. They are actively diversifying their international support networks in anticipation of losing western support.

They can talk about what they want. We have people in Iran who talk about turning the White House into a Husseyniah after we have defeated the US. Doesn't mean it will happen, no?

Americans civic dissent is a joke and has been for decades. No protest movements have caused meaningful change since the end of the Cold War. Body bags returned from Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing happened. 50,000 dead didn't deter the US in Vietnam for years and they even went as far as massacring their own people on a college campus before eventually withdrawing.

Vietnam is already irrelevant. It was 50 years ago, and at the end, the public pressure did force the US to abandon its adventure there. How many body bags returned from Iraq and Afghanistan?

You have to look at it from the US perspective. Pete Hegseth and Trump can boast that the US decapitated the Iranian leadership, destroyed our air force, destroyed our navy, destroyed our nuclear program, and punished a country that chanted to Death to America for half a century. What did they lose for all that? 13 soldiers and a few airframes. Also, about 100 billion dollars. Every American agrees that it is absolutely worth it.

Now, will the same equation hold if the US loses a thousand soldiers this time? Had the US lost a thousand soldiers and failed to overthrow the regime of Ayatollahs in Iran, the Congress and the Senate would've started to look very differently at the situation. The American public would've looked at it very differently.

Tucker Carlson's first and foremost fear of a US war with Iran was about American casualties. That was his first argument against the war, to which Pezeshkain gave those ridiculous responses.

 

[ShapurII]

When global capital undergoes its fourth industrial transfer, they have multiple options including China, India, Southeast Asia, and more.

There is a reason why China, as a communist country, has won the favor of global capital, not because of the underestimation of the United States.

At that time, China had already popularized nine-year compulsory education and had a literacy rate of 90+%. The average life expectancy is over 70 years old, and the people are generally healthy. They are qualified and have a large number of industrial workers. Having qualified infrastructure such as railways, ports, and electricity. Having a foundation in heavy industry and a relatively complete industrial chain.

This is the real reason why China can defeat countries such as India. These conditions are not given to us by God, but rather accumulated over decades of poverty.

Similarly, Iranians need to understand that enduring current hardships for the future is worth it.

India has been through hardships as well, haven't they? China's biggest winning card was cheap labor, something that seemed very useful to the greedy capitalists of the US.

Things have changed now. We are transitioning into the age of AI and dark factories, and China is leading that. Cheap labor is not as useful as it was back then, which is why India will never be able to benefit from their large population like China did in 1980s.

By the way, China didn't have most of the things you named in 1980s. China was behind countries like Japan. Your literacy rate was 76% in 1980. Your life expectancy was 65 in 1980. You greatly benefited from your period of prosperity after you opened your borders to the Western world. I don't know why you want to insist that it is not true.

I am not saying Chinese are inherently superior. I am just saying the political, societal and cultural esp work ethics are very different from those of Brazil, India and Russia. For one thing, you will never see such chaotic, undisciplined and unplanned state in China as compared to those countries, the opposites are required for massive modern industrialization.

The Russians used to be super disciplined. And Slavs are great warriors as well. They defeated both the Germans and the Japanese during World War II. So, what has changed now?

Funnily enough, even the rise of the Russian empire was due to their cultural trade and acceptance of the dominant culture of the time. The Russians weren't a dominant force in the world before they started to establish ties with the European powers of the time.

Even before that, Europe was a backward place in the 13th century. They didn't invent most of the things they did on their own, but it was the Jews that transferred science and technology from the Muslims to the Europeans.

No matter how intelligent you are, you need to start somewhere and you need sharing of knowledge to get to the edge of science and technology. It never happens in isolation.

Anyway, we're off-topic and we are digressing. Inflation in Iran is getting out of hand and inflation and poverty is a bad combination for a system trying to survive. Many countries have imploded internally because of that, particularly when the country is ruled by people who are not that popular with the younger generation.

 

[RedRock]

Last 2 pages 90% are off topic. Well done

 

[KingQamaR]

I have been saying that Iran has gained the upper hand so far in this conflict. I have also been saying that short of a massive invasion, a regime change in Iran not happening. I have also been saying that the blockade can't bring down Iran to capitulation. Some here have been disagreeing with me with some even suggesting I am some 'Iranian fanboi'.

Look at this video. Even on the warhawk side there is no excitement left. And Megyn Kelly's in the first 20 minutes of the video is brilliant and spot on about Lebanon factor.

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My working thesis; IRGC is more like the Taliban than it is any other group/force and so there is no amount of economic or social harm unto Iran that will cause them to reopen the Strait, even if it turns Iran into New Afghanistan

 

[KingQamaR]

Iran's bottom line is lifting sanctions, not nuclear weapons.

Trump's bottom line is that the conditions must be better than the Obama agreement.

If China mediates negotiations between Iran and the United States, China must commit to safeguarding Iran's security. But China is not willing to enter the quagmire of the Middle East.

And Pakistan acting as an intermediary will benefit the political reconciliation between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

China only needs to provide certain compensation to the United States during Trump's visit to China.

Iran is not really target , they are the tool , same with Venezuela . The target is you China (Oil) Ukraine is taking care of your ally Russia for USA.. Making Iran and Venezuelan and Russia hurt is just icing on the cake. Beijing is to slow or frighten to defend its national interests ( OIL)

 

[Immortals]

wow, he admitted the failure and cancellation of "Project Freedom" after only 2 days?

@Immortals

Only because Iran had the courage to attack the UAE to send a message to the Arabs + Israel + US that its not going back to accepting strategic patience just because the war is paused and it’s not afraid of restarting it first.

The attacks on US ships I imagine were very low level harassment attacks to send a warning and the U.S. played it up as “omg Iran attacked me 10 times!”. But I destroyed “6-7” of their “fast boats”. Good propaganda for both sides to talk about.

You can be rest assured if we were still being led by Larijani + Khamenai Sr + Shamkhani, the UAE operation would have never happened and we would be back to strategic patience right now

 

[Lulldapull]

I have been saying that Iran has gained the upper hand so far in this conflict. I have also been saying that short of a massive invasion, a regime change in Iran not happening. I have also been saying that the blockade can't bring down Iran to capitulation. Some here have been disagreeing with me with some even suggesting I am some 'Iranian fanboi'.

Look at this video. Even on the warhawk side there is no excitement left. And Megyn Kelly's in the first 20 minutes of the video is brilliant and spot on about Lebanon factor.

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Meengla bhai I said it months ago…….its been so over!