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What a strange argument

Why would the Indians want to minimize their chances of destroying that radar by using a purely kinetic warhead when they can use a explosive one?

Also considering these are stationary targets it could be very likely that Indians used CMs to target these sites whats your argument then?

You are literally doing Olympic level mental gymnastics trying to justify Indian claims
The warhead failing to detonate is very much possible. Radars are sensitive equipment, it doesn't take much to achieve some level of damage on it. Regarding why any other munition wasn't used depends on the circumstances. It is pertinent to note that India is claiming these hits between May 7th and 10th, both sides likely were content with exchanging fire through drones and other means instead of escalating through missiles in that period of time as far as I know.
 
I just find it funny when Indian claims are taken seriously.

-This is the same side, that claimed victory after its opposition conducted strikes on area that it controls, had 2 of its aircrafts taken down, committed a fratricide while getting pounded --- and still claimed victory, based on " Modi jee Ki Mijile Threat " Narrative

- A simple logical question would be, how was Op Sindoor successful when its objective was to establish deterrence against Pakistan, so as to curtail the so-called attacks emanating from Pakistani soil, while just 5-6 months later another attack on the red fort followed resulting in loss of life, an attack that India once again blamed on the actors in Pakistan.
So how effective was Op Sindoor where the core objective i.e. to achieve deterrence was never achieved, again -- admitted by India itself, when it blames Pak for the Red fort attack.
 
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The warhead failing to detonate is very much possible. Radars are sensitive equipment, it doesn't take much to achieve some level of damage on it. Regarding why any other munition wasn't used depends on the circumstances. It is pertinent to note that India is claiming these hits between May 7th and 10th, both sides likely were content with exchanging fire through drones and other means instead of escalating through missiles in that period of time as far as I know.
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Just take the L and move on brother, absence of damage = no hit, no point in trying to justify it by saying "oh they used phuss phataka" Or "Drone ka sabun slow tha" Whatever
 
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The warhead failing to detonate is very much possible. Radars are sensitive equipment, it doesn't take much to achieve some level of damage on it. Regarding why any other munition wasn't used depends on the circumstances. It is pertinent to note that India is claiming these hits between May 7th and 10th, both sides likely were content with exchanging fire through drones and other means instead of escalating through missiles in that period of time as far as I know.
the more u talk the more i doubt u being pakistani , and i hate doing this

like seriously , u only appear when their is a major terror attack in bl or when someone celeberating something and you bring out these supposed radar hits , you have done this countless times now

no pakistani goes to these lengths to justify indian claims
 
From my understanding, their initial target was obviously not our airbases and today, they have mentioned the same in the presser. I am more worried about their confidence and their will to attack us from brahmos which they also accepted in presser.

I don't know whether our subsonic cruise missiles are working or not. May be they are too expensive or may be they got intercepted.

Overall, there is a clear understanding of the situation. We need long range precision weapons. India has many such systems and also want to induct Israeli lora system. Chances of brahmos and rampage attack on us is quite high and they are clearly very fast. I believe we were caught off guard just like we didn't expect Indian drones.

My assessment is clear. Without long range hypersonic precision strike missiles, Pakistan can't win. It can only delay. Our airbases should be our redline. Our previous doctrine related to nuclear strikes on India in case of an attack on airbases has been challenged. Without airbase, there is no chance of survival.

We need new system to defend our airbases like c-ram, other such systems to target incoming cruise missiles. India upgraded software of brahmos because it identified the bug that allowed soft kills from our side. Our job is to destroy their airbases to create some kind of parity. Unfortunately, their air defence layer is working properly. Indigenous systems are protecting them.

This airbase hits is not a light issue . Obviously attitude of the country is different. We think we destroyed their jets and won the war. We probably won the war but at a very maximum cost. Civilians died, I mean from kids to women and mosques almost razed to the ground which is shaadaat. All this boils my blood and I thought why Pakistan didn't do the same with the Indians? May be Pakistan was unable to do that or may be civilian life doesn't matter anymore. In any way, such huge strikes from India show a sign of weakness among our own air defense layer. It also shows defensive mindset. It also shows some kind of respect for civilians of India and we repeated many times that we will not target their civilians which is hilarious.

I mean all this is unacceptable but it happened and it's past. I hope they will listen to former retired servicemen of paf, many of them suggested air strikes on Indian airbases if things escalate next time. Let's see if we have done anything to save our airbases and to save our people because iaf is traditionally inferior when it comes to bvr engagement but better at air to ground ops.

Obviously criticism is to identify mistake. Members are annoyed here over my thoughts. But obviously nobody wants to talk about our own weakness but let's hope that armed forces will save airbase next time. A penetrating hypersonic missiles is the need of the time.

Also Indian presser today mentioned that they could have destroyed one airbase completely if their intention was to target nearby bases. This is clearly a threat and shows the mindset of iaf. This is what I was saying. They will try to destroy entire airbase next time with the combination of same weapons. They identified our weakness. They identified their own weakness as well which is brahmos soft kills( software update) and new bvr( r-37m). They are very intelligent and their assessment is based on real events.

If I may add to your excellent analysis I have had first person interaction with PAF planning level folks and they are well aware and openly expressed their anxiety about exactly the points that you have raised .

They are aware that our platforms are simply not designed to carry these hypersonic weapons that are becoming such threat except old cruise missiles that should be in their way out in our scenario .

F16s cannot do crap without USA consent which will never come .
JF17 is too light weight to carry a weapon the size of Brahmos
And J10 is an air superiority….

This leaves us with no platform even suitable to carry the type of weapons we need and to launch from air . India has Su30 and Mirage 2000 perfectly suited for heavy ordinance launch .

The range of our planes is yet another factor …. IAF can fire from their depth and out of our weapons range and these hypersonic can cover area in minutes ….

Unless we have a platform to carry and launch similar systems we are in a severe danger and no amount of chest thumping by these clowns will protect us in the future war.
 
the more u talk the more i doubt u being pakistani , and i hate doing this

like seriously , u only appear when their is a major terror attack in bl or when someone celeberating something and you bring out these supposed radar hits , you have done this countless times now

no pakistani goes to these lengths to justify indian claims



What ever damage Indians did …. Which was extremely limited ….. made little to no difference.

Radars are easy to replace and redundancy and backups are built in our early warning defence system .

So really nonsense Indians spit out again and again ….
 
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@side-winder have u seen this

He had a little accident :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

aslo btw this is the rafale video , aklia is in bahtinda
got a firing soluton after crahsing lmfao
 
They also claimed Karachi but that seems a bit more spurious considering they have released no evidence for those strikes.

There was an impact in industrial areas and 1 shot down in karachi but no millitary target hit
 
I think one success they did have was they managed to achieve the shutdown some radars atleast for some time until they were neutralized.

That was their only purpose to get radar returns only for those to be targeted in turn
 
aslo btw this is the rafale video , aklia is in bahtinda
got a firing soluton after crahsing lmfao

I have another more clearer video of this from villagers pov but i never understood what the hell it was that launched. I initially thought it was ejection seat but based on that video the crash would be unsurvivable anyway
 
From my understanding, their initial target was obviously not our airbases and today, they have mentioned the same in the presser. I am more worried about their confidence and their will to attack us from brahmos which they also accepted in presser.

I don't know whether our subsonic cruise missiles are working or not. May be they are too expensive or may be they got intercepted.

Overall, there is a clear understanding of the situation. We need long range precision weapons. India has many such systems and also want to induct Israeli lora system. Chances of brahmos and rampage attack on us is quite high and they are clearly very fast. I believe we were caught off guard just like we didn't expect Indian drones.

My assessment is clear. Without long range hypersonic precision strike missiles, Pakistan can't win. It can only delay. Our airbases should be our redline. Our previous doctrine related to nuclear strikes on India in case of an attack on airbases has been challenged. Without airbase, there is no chance of survival.

We need new system to defend our airbases like c-ram, other such systems to target incoming cruise missiles. India upgraded software of brahmos because it identified the bug that allowed soft kills from our side. Our job is to destroy their airbases to create some kind of parity. Unfortunately, their air defence layer is working properly. Indigenous systems are protecting them.

This airbase hits is not a light issue . Obviously attitude of the country is different. We think we destroyed their jets and won the war. We probably won the war but at a very maximum cost. Civilians died, I mean from kids to women and mosques almost razed to the ground which is shaadaat. All this boils my blood and I thought why Pakistan didn't do the same with the Indians? May be Pakistan was unable to do that or may be civilian life doesn't matter anymore. In any way, such huge strikes from India show a sign of weakness among our own air defense layer. It also shows defensive mindset. It also shows some kind of respect for civilians of India and we repeated many times that we will not target their civilians which is hilarious.

I mean all this is unacceptable but it happened and it's past. I hope they will listen to former retired servicemen of paf, many of them suggested air strikes on Indian airbases if things escalate next time. Let's see if we have done anything to save our airbases and to save our people because iaf is traditionally inferior when it comes to bvr engagement but better at air to ground ops.

Obviously criticism is to identify mistake. Members are annoyed here over my thoughts. But obviously nobody wants to talk about our own weakness but let's hope that armed forces will save airbase next time. A penetrating hypersonic missiles is the need of the time.

Also Indian presser today mentioned that they could have destroyed one airbase completely if their intention was to target nearby bases. This is clearly a threat and shows the mindset of iaf. This is what I was saying. They will try to destroy entire airbase next time with the combination of same weapons. They identified our weakness. They identified their own weakness as well which is brahmos soft kills( software update) and new bvr( r-37m). They are very intelligent and their assessment is based on real events.
Well if they attack Paf airbases their bases will also be targeted in all probability with not only subsonic but also supersonic cruise missiles of Pakistan. It's a two way street bro.
 

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