Turkish Engine Programs
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eIsQengiz
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Really in the future may even develop Generation IV nuclear reactor technologies. Türkiye is mastering real technologies. AR-GE never claimed to build “asteroid ships” or fantasy weapons, but developing high-energy fuels, combustion control, storage stability, and independent missile production is serious engineering achieved by only a limited number of states. Türkiye continues investing in advanced aerospace, propulsion systems,
Those high-thrust engines could also transitionaly serve KAAN in twin-engine configurations until a fully indigenous next-generation engine is mature and ready.
Most countries still import these strategic materials and capabilities, while only a small tier of global powers can independently produce them. That would be a serious capability — not science fiction. Calling Yildirimhan “the most important indicator of Türkiye’s vision” clearly reflects a long-term goal of technological independence, strategic capability, and national industrial strength.
Sinan
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People attended to Saha Expo say that, that engine is not a copy or reversed engineered version but it's the F110 itself without a doubt.
Merzifonlu
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The F110 has a total length of 4.62 meters, while the F135 has 5.59 meters. The F110's main fan diameter is 94 cm, while the F135's main fan diameter is 117 cm.
Simply by using a 3rd generation single crystal and adjusting the bypass ratio, it is impossible to achieve the aforementioned F135 values.
In short, even if the core were an improved F110 core, that thrust could not be produced from an engine of their size. Moreover, if the main fan diameter were increased that much, the core itself would also have to be changed.
With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error. Using the F110 itself as a model was the biggest mistake they could have made. They have severely damaged the reputation of our defense industry.
Simply by using a 3rd generation single crystal and adjusting the bypass ratio, it is impossible to achieve the aforementioned F135 values.
In short, even if the core were an improved F110 core, that thrust could not be produced from an engine of their size. Moreover, if the main fan diameter were increased that much, the core itself would also have to be changed.
With the best intentions, I can say they made a terrible communication error. Using the F110 itself as a model was the biggest mistake they could have made. They have severely damaged the reputation of our defense industry.
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hyperman
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well thats what reverse engineering is, you take the entire engine apart, down to the smallest piece, you study each piece and its function and its characteristics and what its made out of, then you build an exact copy of each part, and then put it back together and then test to see how close you get to the real thing.
At that point there is no way to tell what is real or fake, until you actually test. They made 6 copies, and now they will test them.
Sinan
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You can be sure that, Arda Mevlütoğlu knows what "reverse engineering is"
hyperman
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Well if they know what reverse engineering is, then they should understand whats happening. Because all i keep hearing is people talking about TF35000 and comparing it to that engine and its development timeline, and not understanding that the quality and performance of a reverse engineered engine with something that is next gen tech in terms of the TF35000 is apples and oranges.
This engine isn't an engine development project, and more along the lines of a research project to see if it can be done, depending on how the 6 prototypes they built and how its tested in November 2026, we will know how successful they were, and how much work would be needed to bring it to production, if ever.
Sinan
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Kubilay Yıldırım on the mystery engine:
Let two of the hardest engineering challenges on Earth — an ICBM-class ballistic system and a 40K+ lb thrust fighter jet engine — supposedly appear out of nowhere overnight. As if a group of nameless geniuses, chosen by white-haired elders, taken from their families as infants and raised for 23 years in a dark underground chamber on raw meat, somehow built them in a secret workshop beneath Tuzla.
And let’s even say they did it for free.
At the very moment Türkiye was most cornered, they emerged like saviors. Beneath the surface, in some hidden mega-factory, the serial production lines were already waiting.
Short. Painless. Effortless.
Meanwhile, Türkiye actually has the TF35000 project. Years ago, the man leading the vision behind it openly explained the process:
“We had previously designed the TS1400 with an axial compressor. But in order to truly learn how to design and test axial compressors, we independently developed the TJ300 engine. We ran it. To even understand the airflow and make such a design possible, we had to create a large number of specialized design tools ourselves. Maybe the product could eventually be used on a platform, but for us it was fundamentally a learning project.
Then came the TF6000. We started it partly because we foresaw a need in the market for a modern engine in that thrust class, but also because we needed to learn how to design a fully axial, blisk-compressor turbofan with a fan stage. Again, we had to develop many new design tools. We had to build our own testing infrastructure. We learned how to create a large fully axial engine.
After that came the TF10000. Through that process, we would also learn, test, and validate afterburner systems and variable convergent-divergent nozzle designs.
Most importantly, we are developing the FADEC systems for all of these engines ourselves — both the software and the hardware.
Another issue just as important is materials technology. With every engine project, we expand our materials repertoire. We even had to develop and produce some relatively simple alloys ourselves. At the same time, we are experimenting with and developing special crystal-structured materials.
Because of all this, we are not entering the TF35000 project blindly. We did not stand idle for years. We identified TF35000 — the Ferrari of this field, our Kızılelma — as the strategic objective, and step by step we expanded our capability set, knowledge base, and experience in order to reach it.”
Today, at the TEI stand, I happened to meet one of the systems engineers working on TF35000. Even in a casual standing conversation, I could get a rough sense of certain design budgets of the engine. We were talking at the level of: “We have even already determined the electrical power consumption of the FADEC.”
Two engineers — one former turbomachinery engineer, one current — having a perfectly natural technical conversation.
That is precisely why I have no doubt the project exists.
Complex engineering projects grow like human beings. As they grow, they begin speaking to you differently. They develop friends, history, scars. They fall down, scrape their knees, play ball, wear out their shoes. And you witness all of it.
That is why one of these two projects is real, and the other is not.
Türkiye’s TF35000 project is real. The people leading it are genuinely capable of achieving it. But it has a timeline and a process. And all of us will witness that process together. As we do, we will understand more and more how difficult and demanding such a project truly is.
We are targeting around 35,000 lb of thrust from an engine roughly in the size class of the F110. And we will achieve it. Maybe even slightly more. Perhaps, years later, as our knowledge and experience continue to grow, we may even reach 40K+ lb if required.
But we will see it happen.
And when we do, we will look back and say:
“Man… that other story was complete nonsense.”
Only then will we truly understand what a real engineering effort looks like.
Of course, some people of rotten character will still invent new fantasies for themselves. There is nothing to be done about that. Just as we live in a world alongside thieves, dishonorable people, and the immoral, we will also have to tolerate those who thrive on empty fabrication.
That is simply how it will be.
Let two of the hardest engineering challenges on Earth — an ICBM-class ballistic system and a 40K+ lb thrust fighter jet engine — supposedly appear out of nowhere overnight. As if a group of nameless geniuses, chosen by white-haired elders, taken from their families as infants and raised for 23 years in a dark underground chamber on raw meat, somehow built them in a secret workshop beneath Tuzla.
And let’s even say they did it for free.
At the very moment Türkiye was most cornered, they emerged like saviors. Beneath the surface, in some hidden mega-factory, the serial production lines were already waiting.
Short. Painless. Effortless.
Meanwhile, Türkiye actually has the TF35000 project. Years ago, the man leading the vision behind it openly explained the process:
“We had previously designed the TS1400 with an axial compressor. But in order to truly learn how to design and test axial compressors, we independently developed the TJ300 engine. We ran it. To even understand the airflow and make such a design possible, we had to create a large number of specialized design tools ourselves. Maybe the product could eventually be used on a platform, but for us it was fundamentally a learning project.
Then came the TF6000. We started it partly because we foresaw a need in the market for a modern engine in that thrust class, but also because we needed to learn how to design a fully axial, blisk-compressor turbofan with a fan stage. Again, we had to develop many new design tools. We had to build our own testing infrastructure. We learned how to create a large fully axial engine.
After that came the TF10000. Through that process, we would also learn, test, and validate afterburner systems and variable convergent-divergent nozzle designs.
Most importantly, we are developing the FADEC systems for all of these engines ourselves — both the software and the hardware.
Another issue just as important is materials technology. With every engine project, we expand our materials repertoire. We even had to develop and produce some relatively simple alloys ourselves. At the same time, we are experimenting with and developing special crystal-structured materials.
Because of all this, we are not entering the TF35000 project blindly. We did not stand idle for years. We identified TF35000 — the Ferrari of this field, our Kızılelma — as the strategic objective, and step by step we expanded our capability set, knowledge base, and experience in order to reach it.”
Today, at the TEI stand, I happened to meet one of the systems engineers working on TF35000. Even in a casual standing conversation, I could get a rough sense of certain design budgets of the engine. We were talking at the level of: “We have even already determined the electrical power consumption of the FADEC.”
Two engineers — one former turbomachinery engineer, one current — having a perfectly natural technical conversation.
That is precisely why I have no doubt the project exists.
Complex engineering projects grow like human beings. As they grow, they begin speaking to you differently. They develop friends, history, scars. They fall down, scrape their knees, play ball, wear out their shoes. And you witness all of it.
That is why one of these two projects is real, and the other is not.
Türkiye’s TF35000 project is real. The people leading it are genuinely capable of achieving it. But it has a timeline and a process. And all of us will witness that process together. As we do, we will understand more and more how difficult and demanding such a project truly is.
We are targeting around 35,000 lb of thrust from an engine roughly in the size class of the F110. And we will achieve it. Maybe even slightly more. Perhaps, years later, as our knowledge and experience continue to grow, we may even reach 40K+ lb if required.
But we will see it happen.
And when we do, we will look back and say:
“Man… that other story was complete nonsense.”
Only then will we truly understand what a real engineering effort looks like.
Of course, some people of rotten character will still invent new fantasies for themselves. There is nothing to be done about that. Just as we live in a world alongside thieves, dishonorable people, and the immoral, we will also have to tolerate those who thrive on empty fabrication.
That is simply how it will be.
İn a real democracy, half of the ministry of defence would have been fired including the minister himself.
Sinan
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Apperently Erdoğan and top brass(except MoD), didn't visit MSB stand or talked about their products + this also applies to other defence industry CEOs. Normally, you would expect for example Selçuk Bayraktar to speak about it but nothing.
Pretty much stupid move by MSB. Like, do they think, they can fool Erdogan ? He has Selçuk Bayraktar as son-in-law.
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