JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Oscar]

It is interesting(odd) to me that they included the empty pylons on that plane ? A cleaner jet without them would perform better with less weight to carry.

Depends on percentage of impact and time it takes to add/remove pylons. It’s actually smart to leave the jet configuration that way so its ready for any mission

 

[Michael]

Yesterday (May 7), several national Chinese media outlets were invited to visit the headquarters of CAC and the 611 Institute.

The following is the official news report:


It is worth noting:
The JF-17 fighter in the photo is in green livery.
This indicates that the 611 Institute is still carrying out the upgrade work on the JF-17.

 

[hasssanali8998]

This indicates that the 611 Institute is still carrying out the upgrade work on the JF-17.

and yesterday pakistani airforce command said they will be upgrading jf17s further

this might be connected

 

[Be dazzled]

 

[huanghong]

Will it be re-engined with the 11-ton-thrust WS-19?

 

[RAJPUT]

Will it be re-engined with the 11-ton-thrust WS-19?

WS-21, @Michael has already confirmed, IIRC.

 

[Ak01]

its amazing how easy disinformation spreads.

PT3001 at chengdu was never painted. in any picture of it

 

[Michael]

Will it be re-engined with the 11-ton-thrust WS-19?

WS-21, @Michael has already confirmed, IIRC.

From a technical perspective, the WS-19 engine cannot be used for the JF-17 series fighter jets.

From a political perspective, the WS-19 engine is not exported. At least for now, its export is not allowed.

Regarding the combination of the WS-19 engine and the JF-17 series fighter jets, the technical issues are very serious, far greater than the political issues.

There are two Chinese terms that I don't know how to translate. You can figure it out yourselves.

飞发一体化 and 集成热管理.

Just these two items are enough to completely prevent the WS-19 engine from being integrated with the JF-17 series fighter aircraft. Unless CAC is really willing to develop a stealth version of the JF-17.

 

[RealNapster]

Last Block 1 JF-17 was produced in 2013. Do we know for sure that they were all converted to block 2 ? Any source or notification or press conference confirming that all Block 1 are already converted to Block 2 or 3 ?

 

[Ibbi32]

Last Block 1 JF-17 was produced in 2013. Do we know for sure that they were all converted to block 2 ? Any source or notification or press conference confirming that all Block 1 are already converted to Block 2 or 3 ?

Iirc not all but some were upgraded to blk 2 standard. Planned upgrade of entire fleet to blk 3 standard is still not confirmed yet

 

[Toxic]

Iirc not all but some were upgraded to blk 2 standard. Planned upgrade of entire fleet to blk 3 standard is still not confirmed yet

It won't happen, some of the older airframes are already approaching the end of their lifecycle, unless a SLEP is done it won't be much use upgrading them now, although we will probably see the newer 30-40 odd block 2s being upgraded.

 

[EgoKaempfer]

Last Block 1 JF-17 was produced in 2013. Do we know for sure that they were all converted to block 2 ? Any source or notification or press conference confirming that all Block 1 are already converted to Block 2 or 3 ?

Total number Block-1 built = 50.
Source:
"The Pakistan Air Force purchased the first batch of 50 Xiaolong fighters, of which 8 were manufactured in China and 42 were assembled by the Pakistani side, known as JF-17 Block1, all of which used Chinese on-board avionautics and weapons, and were delivered in early 2012"

Total number converted to Block-2 50.
source:

Crux: PAF has no more JFs Block-1 in their fleet , only 2s & 3s.

 

[Ibbi32]

It won't happen, some of the older airframes are already approaching the end of their lifecycle, unless a SLEP is done it won't be much use upgrading them now, although we will probably see the newer 30-40 odd block 2s being upgraded.

I think people underestimate the lifespan of the blk 1s. Yes the airframe is not good at all and designed for only 20-25 years service but we have kept similar lifespan mirages in service for 60 years now and jf-17 is platform we designed and built and have full knowledge on. I dont think it will be that hard or costly to extend service via SLEP or otherwise. I dont think its a good idea or realisticaly possible to upgrade them to full blk 3 standard but imo blk 1 airframes will remain in service till mid 2030s atleast out of pure neccesity

 

[SABRE]

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Is this message intended for Pakistanis living in Brooklyn? What's up with that music?

 

[Toxic]

One thing to note is that at Ideas 2024 a PAF official gave a 4-5 year timeline for the first flight of the block 4