Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Every week we have "big border movement" X post by some random on here.....

If Indians are stupid enough to move a mass of soldiers into our firing line, then they will deserve the blood bath that we will inflict on them

The reality is their simply too much hardware on both sides

The idea of Invasion or occupation, is near enough impossible without a massive death toll


The problem indians have is that they were humiliated, and they have a deep psychological burn hurting them from within, so they are doing a whole bunch of stupid teenage girl on her period dramabazi

Some real stropy stomping around


But again the problem isn't that India wants to hurt us or kill our people, that's a given
It's that they have no easy option, where Pakistan won't hammer them back
So what's the point of killing 100 Pakistani, if Pakistan responds by killing 100 indians


So we will continue like this, with India acting unhinged, but Pakistan should just be aware, keep the situation monitored and our forces ready for any stupidity
 
Mitra Jee summed it up very beautifully 😂
These TVCs and Cobra dancing stuff is good for circus only. The modern warfare doesn't have room for these circus stunts.

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Mitrw jee explained psychology of these iaf guys very well

They are more focused on bollywood stuff.than issues that actually
 
For those who can read Urdu very good reporting from BBC …..Good points about Indian claims not making any sense and are unverifiable.



Especially this part:
 

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These retards won't ever try to address where that SU 30Mki ejection seat came from, Maybe the pilots ejected and the plane flew back to base on auto pilot just like how the Rafale ejected it's engine

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Another good article . Very important point about the satellite pics and Pakistan opening their side for scrutiny …..


“Contrary to official narratives on both sides, the four-day conflict that followed did not end in a neat victory for either nation.

Pakistan can point to the aerial exchange on the night of May 6-7. Its Chinese-built J-10C jets shot down Indian aircraft, including Rafales, during the opening phase of the conflict.

At the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore in June 2025, India’s second chief of defence staff, General Anil Chauhan, admitted to jet losses on the first day of the fighting. Air Marshal Bharti had framed it more plainly days earlier: “Losses are a part of combat.”

Pakistan also emerged with what many analysts saw as a diplomatic and narrative advantage. It accepted US President Donald Trump’s assertion that he had brought about the ceasefire that ended the war on May 10, nominated Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize, and has, over the past year, emerged as a significant diplomatic force, acting as the main mediator of a ceasefire in the US war on Iran.

For its part, India can also point to significant military outcomes. Its BrahMos long-range missiles struck multiple Pakistani airbases, including Nur Khan in Rawalpindi and Bholari in the Sindh province.

India also used Israeli-made drones that penetrated as far as Karachi and Lahore, and walked out of the Indus Waters Treaty on April 23, 2025, a pact that governs river-water sharing between the neighbours. The decision carries consequences far beyond the military exchange.

While commercial satellite imagery released by Western companies extensively documented damage at Pakistani military installations, the same companies, Maxar, now renamed Vantor, and Planet Labs, released no imagery of the Indian military sites allegedly struck by Pakistan during or after the conflict.


Meanwhile, Pakistani losses were subjected to open-source scrutiny, while Indian losses were not. Both readings of the conflict contain elements of truth. Yet, neither is complete.”



Exactly the point I was making and getting attacked ….. we need to worry about our ground based defences …..


“Beyond the hardware
Despite these upgrades, Pakistan’s air defence posture remains its most exposed vulnerability, analysts point out.

Its Chinese-supplied HQ-9B surface-to-air missile system failed to intercept the BrahMos missiles during the May 2025 conflict.



Buildings in Muridke, Pakistan, hit by Indian missiles [Abid Hussain/Al Jazeera]
A mosque in Muridke, Pakistan, was hit by Indian missiles on the night of May 6-7 last year [File: Abid Hussain/Al Jazeera]Islamabad, according to Pakistani defence analyst Yamin, is now pursuing the longer-range HQ-19 ballistic missile defence system, with induction anticipated later in 2026.


Faisal, the Sydney-based analyst, described the Pakistani Air Force’s (PAF) opening performance on May 7, 2025, as impressive, but said that the later stages of the conflict exposed significant weaknesses.

“The PAF’s performance in the first phase of the conflict was genuinely remarkable,” he said. “It displayed both coherence and escalation discipline. However, later BrahMos strikes on airbases depicted gaps in ground air defences.”

New weapons systems alone, Faisal argued, would not be enough.

“Pakistan will have to meet this challenge through hardened shelters, dispersals, and urgent runway repair capacities to avoid being incapacitated in the next conflict,” he said.

The University at Albany’s Clary noted that the BrahMos missile’s combat debut had altered the strategic calculations for both sides.

“The BrahMos had never been used before in combat”, he said, “and so its use in 2025 will have given Pakistani air defence planners, and the Chinese manufacturers that make many of the Pakistani systems, a look at the technology”.

Whether there are straightforward countermeasures, or whether dealing with a hypersonic cruise missile like BrahMos remains beyond Pakistan’s current technological reach, is still unclear.

Yamin argued that the conflict also underscored the diminishing value of geography as strategic depth.

Strikes reached Nur Khan, Bholari and installations as far south as Sukkur.

“The conflict demonstrated that geography alone no longer provides strategic depth in the age of long-range precision weapons, drones, cyber capabilities, and satellite-guided systems,” he said.

Faisal put the doctrinal implications more directly.

“Deep strikes into Lahore, Karachi, and Rawalpindi demonstrate that ‘geographic immunity’ has eroded,” he said. “Doctrinally, Pakistan’s military is indicating preparation for conventional strikes from both ground and sea-based platforms to strike the Indian heartland, even at its southern shores, far from Pakistan.”

But that assessment is complicated by fiscal realities. Islamabad increased defence spending even as it cut overall federal expenditure by 7 percent to comply with its International Monetary Fund loan programme.

Meanwhile, India’s defence budget for 2025-26, according to Indian budget documents, stands at approximately $78.7bn, nearly nine times Pakistan’s official allocation.

Beyond the hardware

Despite these upgrades, Pakistan’s air defence posture remains its most exposed vulnerability, analysts point out.
Its Chinese-supplied HQ-9B surface-to-air missile system failed to intercept the BrahMos missiles during the May 2025 conflict.

Buildings in Muridke, Pakistan, hit by Indian missiles [Abid Hussain/Al Jazeera]

A mosque in Muridke, Pakistan, was hit by Indian missiles on the night of May 6-7 last year [File: Abid Hussain/Al Jazeera]

Islamabad, according to Pakistani defence analyst Yamin, is now pursuing the longer-range HQ-19 ballistic missile defence system, with induction anticipated later in 2026.
Faisal, the Sydney-based analyst, described the Pakistani Air Force’s (PAF) opening performance on May 7, 2025, as impressive, but said that the later stages of the conflict exposed significant weaknesses.
“The PAF’s performance in the first phase of the conflict was genuinely remarkable,” he said. “It displayed both coherence and escalation discipline. However, later BrahMos strikes on airbases depicted gaps in ground air defences.”
New weapons systems alone, Faisal argued, would not be enough.
“Pakistan will have to meet this challenge through hardened shelters, dispersals, and urgent runway repair capacities to avoid being incapacitated in the next conflict,” he said.
The University at Albany’s Clary noted that the BrahMos missile’s combat debut had altered the strategic calculations for both sides.
“The BrahMos had never been used before in combat”, he said, “and so its use in 2025 will have given Pakistani air defence planners, and the Chinese manufacturers that make many of the Pakistani systems, a look at the technology”.
Whether there are straightforward countermeasures, or whether dealing with a hypersonic cruise missile like BrahMos remains beyond Pakistan’s current technological reach, is still unclear.
Yamin argued that the conflict also underscored the diminishing value of geography as strategic depth.
Strikes reached Nur Khan, Bholari and installations as far south as Sukkur.
“The conflict demonstrated that geography alone no longer provides strategic depth in the age of long-range precision weapons, drones, cyber capabilities, and satellite-guided systems,” he said.
Faisal put the doctrinal implications more directly.
“Deep strikes into Lahore, Karachi, and Rawalpindi demonstrate that ‘geographic immunity’ has eroded,” he said. “Doctrinally, Pakistan’s military is indicating preparation for conventional strikes from both ground and sea-based platforms to strike the Indian heartland, even at its southern shores, far from Pakistan.”
But that assessment is complicated by fiscal realities. Islamabad increased defence spending even as it cut overall federal expenditure by 7 percent to comply with its International Monetary Fund loan programme.
Meanwhile, India’s defence budget for 2025-26, according to Indian budget documents, stands at approximately $78.7bn, nearly nine times Pakistan’s official allocation.”
 
These retards won't ever try to address where that SU 30Mki ejection seat came from, Maybe the pilots ejected and the plane fly back to base on auto pilot just like how the Rafale ejected it engine

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Last year I showed an Indian member pylon with mica missile which was torn away from a burning Rafale and he told me bro you don't know. These things get torn off during high G manoeuvres.
 
Mitra Jee summed it up very beautifully 😂
These TVCs and Cobra dancing stuff is good for circus only. The modern warfare doesn't have room for these circus stunts.

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Not sure of your age young bro but I remember the 80's when Soviet jets were the talk of the town, yes we heard it all the 'cobra', the insane 'turns' and so forth. When conflicts in Africa showed how poor Soviet aircraft performed in ground attack sorties, people side eyed them. But it was in the 90's during the wars in the Persian Gulf and Balkans where they showed up to be inferior to western aircraft and their network capabilities.
The Chinese thankfully learnt well from this.
 
This guy apparently captured the launch of missile from HQ9 HIMAD out of Nur Khan base on the night of 7th may.

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2 were fired that night.
 
Indians are stupid enough to move a mass of soldiers into our firing line, then they will deserve the blood bath that we will inflict on them
Indians also have troop carriers.
If you look into their infantry exercises closely their strategy is to rush into area with troop carriers

Then Hold the ground. And artillery will follow.

There is no firing range. It's either artillery or drone which can give push back. No guns.
 
Indians also have troop carriers.
If you look into their infantry exercises closely their strategy is to rush into area with troop carriers

Then Hold the ground. And artillery will follow.

There is no firing range. It's either artillery or drone which can give push back. No guns.

I don't think it matters that much, whether it's on foot or troop carriers

The border areas and especially kashmir is so heavily manner and armed with so much hardware that while technically an incursion is possible, it will just be targeted and hammered

With the failure of the Indian air force, India is this trying to double down on stand off weapons
 

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