Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

CBS, whose owner Larry Ellison is the biggest donor to the Israeli Occupation Forces, and editor-in-chief Bari Weiss is an ardent pro-Israel voice has reported that Pakistan is playing double game by shielding Iranian military aircraft.

The report then drifts to "reveal" how Pakistan is growing closer to China. This report came in conjunction with another saying Pakistan often "does not convey Trump's displeasure to Iran" and "tends to paint positive picture of negotiations."

It is not for Pakistan to convey Trump's displeasure or present a candid view of Iranian positions. Pakistan just conveys messages. The task of interpretation and gleaning the other party's thinking belongs to the concerned parties themselves, who are not new to negotiations and have already met to get a better sense of each other's perspective.

The sleight here is familiar and much easier to grasp if viewed alongside Netanyahu's mild reference to Pakistan in his recent CBS 60 Minutes interview, where he blames social media for driving a wedge between Israel and the US. After failing to force Saudi Arabia into the war despite concerted false reporting about Saudi's role, the backup plan of blemishing the mediator has been activated. They also cannot outright bomb mediator like Pakistan as they did with Qatar.

The aim behind this sabotage is not hard to guess. The MAGA core is split on war, with the anti-war camp led by Tucker, Fuentes, and Kelly holding a decisive edge over the pro war camp. The pro war intelligentsia in DC increasingly sees where Netanyahu's war has led the US. There is no better example than Robert Kagan in The Atlantic. And perhaps biggest of all, Trump himself is unwilling to be dragged any further, best shown by his indefinite ceasefire extension and backing of Saudi and Pakistani efforts to help restore some sort of status quo ante bellum.

Not only has Netanyahu's regime change bet failed and Iran increasingly emerged as the ultimate arbiter of power in the Middle East, but his chances of going to jail have multiplied with looming defeat in approaching Israeli elections. So this current, and near future, media cacophony against Pakistan has to be viewed in its right context.

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I am fine with Pakistan playing all the angles rather than repeating the old mistake of putting all eggs in American or GCC baskets. This is real statecraft. Since Pakistan is playing a good and important mediator role in this conflict, I am even less worried about the repercussions of news like this.
 
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UAE is ruining itself. Many imports delayed, property market went down dramatically.

What were they thinking? Do they think Iran will not be able to flatten them if it came to it?

It's the illusion of grandeur. Indians have it, isrealis have it, UAE lot have same germs.
 
If you are referring about the ones sheltering at Karachi previously, you can see them in this video around the 2:20 and 4:13 mark.

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most of them are 747s with no livery and insignias.
 
So far, 8 US C817 airplanes have arrived in Beijing. Trump is all hyped up. China is little uneasy and embarrassed.
for that amount of C-17s Trump pretty much brought the entir WH west wing with him including the war room and a kitchen

He is up to no good.

I sure hope Iranians dont need me to tell them never let their guard down, Nasrallah was assassinated by Israel when Netanyahu was on a foreign trip
 
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Kennedy was told by the CIA and Pentagon that overthrowing Castro would be easy, resulting in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Dubya was told by Pentagon, CIA, Netanyahu and neocons that invading occupying Iraq would be easy, resulting in the rotten and pointless Iraq war.

Trump was told by Netanyahu, Mossad and neocons once again that attacking Iran would result in easy regime change, resulting in pointless and failed Iran war.

Obama was tricked into supporting another "easy" civil war in Syria.

There are likely more historical examples out there. Frankly it's the fault of American Presidents who keep getting easily conned into one un-necessary conflict after another.
 
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Is the warhead of an FPV drone capable of damaging canisters of air defence missiles .? It can kill soldiers i know but can it really cause any damage to SAMs and Tanks ?
 
Is the warhead of an FPV drone capable of damaging canisters of air defence missiles .? It can kill soldiers i know but can it really cause any damage to SAMs and Tanks ?
It depends on what the fpv is using. I'm sure even a basic shaped charge like a rpg-7 warhead could take it out. A fragmentation grenade, probably not.
 
It depends on what the fpv is using. I'm sure even a basic shaped charge like a rpg-7 warhead could take it out. A fragmentation grenade, probably not.

I don't think these fpv drones are big enough to carry rpg7 warhead. Maybe a grenade sort of. Believe it will only work against foot soldier. Still better then no attack at all.
 
Thanks to @Fatman17 for posting in another thread but I think this thread is about the 'war' also deserves this wonderful video by no other than Robert Kagan. What a clear headed even if war mongering guy Kagan is!
Where are those defeatists about this war?!

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If China decides to take over Taiwan by force someday, it would be foolhardy for Americans to get into war with China over Taiwan, basically there will be nothing US can do about it. Things are changing fast, now over 60% of Taiwanese are willing to discuss reunification with China. China may not have to fire a shot. By the way, US had never won a war in countries surrounding China since WW II.
Never good to start a war based on wishful thinking. you see how terrible some people’s wars going against Ukraine and Iran. You don’t know the US will respond, how Japan, Australia and Philippines. Putin starts the war because he believes too much to his own propaganda, same for Trump.
If Ccp decides to take TW by force then you should take it into the calculus.
 
I don't think these fpv drones are big enough to carry rpg7 warhead. Maybe a grenade sort of. Believe it will only work against foot soldier. Still better then no attack at all.
Most sources I found at a glance list a PG-7V as around 2.2 kg. I assume without the rocket motor which you wouldn't need. I believe it could be done theoretically.
 
Kennedy was told by the CIA and Pentagon that overthrowing Castro would be easy, resulting in the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

Dubya was told by Pentagon, CIA, Netanyahu and neocons that invading occupying Iraq would be easy, resulting in the rotten and pointless Iraq war.

Trump was told by Netanyahu, Mossad and neocons once again that attacking Iran would result in easy regime change, resulting in pointless and failed Iran war.

Obama was tricked into supporting another "easy" civil war in Syria.

There are likely more historical examples out there. Frankly it's the fault of American Presidents who keep getting easily conned into one un-necessary conflict after another.
What the F... a European foreign minister I doing in Iran ???????? They should not even be allowed in the country, even if on a circus tour.
 

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