A personal story of mine, and a cautionary tale for those who read it.

I would argue it is pretty horrid to go and loot the belongings of the deceased.

You live a privileged life in the UK. The government pays for you if you can't pay for yourself. That's how big of a privilege it is to live as a first world person.

Your cousins are living the tough life back home and have to make ends meet and you judge them as 'horrid' for trying. I can't sympathize with this..
 
You live a privileged life in the UK. The government pays for you if you can't pay for yourself. That's how big of a privilege it is to live as a first world person.

Your cousins are living the tough life back home and have to make ends meet and you judge them as 'horrid' for trying. I can't sympathize with this..
What tough life?

My cousins live in the UK.

I would also argue that those who can claim their right on anything they’d like under the guise of struggle are the truly privelage people.
 
I wanted to share an occurence that happened with me and my family recently. Im not sharing for sympathy, but rather as a sobering reminder that nobody, no matter how much you know them can ever be trusted. Take my story as a lesson and please do not let this happen to you.


Around 7 months ago, my aunt suddenly passed away of sepsis. She (them all widowed) was among 5 siblings, 2 of which including my father lived in the UK, 2 of which lived in Pakistan, of which one, has really, really bad dementia.

Now as with every Pakistani family, there’s always internal strife, in our case, it was between our cousins. So for the sake of keeping important documents protected etc, my aunts would give them to Mr S.

Now I don’t know what the story behind Mr S is, but, Mr S was very close to the family. All of the siblings would donate tons of money to his madrasahs, for decades at that too. Everyone trusted him, immensely, he was the one my aunts relied on over there to get stuff done because they couldn’t themselves. Property, banking, whatever.

Now, we have a family house in Gulshan E Iqbal, that property was purchased by my father, however his mother wished for it to be equally split among his siblings, so he did so. My aunt however handed her share over to my siblings, for this, she had given all the paperwork etc, but for some reason, never got around to filing it. But anyhow, Mr S had the papers for this, they stayed with him the entire time.

Time goes on, and my aunt breaks her leg. She needs surgery, now, she had a rod placed in her leg, however, a few months later this got infected (please please please get any post surgery infections properly checked out!). This infection turned out to be sepsis. Now as we know, sepsis is extremely aggressive and within 3 days, my aunt had passed away.

This turned everyone’s world upside down. Nothing was ever the same, the house was empty, falling apart, the future was uncertain, especially for my other aunt with dementia, as she was her support system, everything just turned upside down. My father was extremely close to her and it devastated him like I had never seen before.

A year prior, my father had just beaten cancer, but he was never the same again. The toll it took on him just changed him as a person and his personality, understandably so. A month prior to my aunts passing, my cousin had passed due to cancer, it was horrible timing and just a lot to go through.

As with everything, the death turned into an opportunity for everything to become a free for all. Remember how I said they would keep the papers with Mr S to prevent my cousins getting their grubby fingers on them? Well some of the papers were kept in my aunts closet, which was raided the next day, the papers and her jewellery vanished, her clothes were taken out and replaced with my cousins’. Disgusting. Heck, they even took her phone, erasing it, deleting any photos and messages from her.

They’re a deplorable bunch really. My father at the time had no photos or voice notes or anything from his sister. Everything was left on that phone. Annoyingly I didn’t take the phone and hide it because I did not think people could stoop this low, but alas, they ensured that my father could not even have a single photo of his sister. Disgusting people.

Getting back to the story, my father knew the papers were with Mr S, including the ones of my aunt’s share. So my father asks him to begin the proceedings to have the shares transferred in my siblings names so we can sell everything off and do some good with the money in her name.

Mr S happily complies, as we expected from him. Obviously we knew this would take money, but my father not being local, had no clue how much and what the process was. Mr S would ask for hundreds of thousands at a time, sending convincing looking documents, posting stuff to us in the UK to sign and return etc, all seemed legit. Obviously all of this was underwritten by the immense amount of trust we had in him as a family.

I remember thinking to myself however, mr S has never invited us over. Not even as much to offer us chai at his, or food, or anything. Obviously being Pakistani, this is extremely strange to me, and I kept questioning my father about this.

The other strange behaviour I noted was he met us at the graveyard one day, at my aunts grave to give us a file with some of the documents, he came, handed us the file and left. Didn’t even bother as much to recite fatiha. Though, I can imagine the shame was probably eating him alive- or so, I’d like to think so. Who knows with these sorts of dogs.

My father doesn’t really question any of this. Until his deadlines were never met. Papers will be issued next week, this office is being slow, that one is on holiday, the usual excuses. We get a bit suspicious, but my dad, holding on to the decades of family relations we’ve had with them, their madrassah, their charity etc, carried on just sending him what he’d ask for.

It all carries on, he would send questionable looking documents that I’d look at and think hmm, but at the same time, I know the system isn’t really the greatest in Pakistan and documents that may not meet the standards of what I would expect probably do exist, so I let this carry on, with caution.

Again, months go by, he’s asking for more money, all in all, worked out to about 1.5 million PKR. My father, in hopes that he can do something good with his sisters share carries on holding hope, with him thinking there’s no way this guy would ruin 40 years of ties, support, trust etc.

We do however ask someone we trusted, our old tenants, who was a manager at a bank, he confirmed the payments weren’t real or something, HOWEVER, the issue once again arises, who do we believe. Our tenant who was abruptly made to move by my horrid cousins at my aunts passing, or this guy everyone deeply trusted for 40 years. My father held onto hope, and carried on going.

Months pass by, we’re now in April, and suddenly, my aunt (the uk one) calls my father and tells him, “Mr S is a fraud”.

Turns out, Mr S had also held the papers for a plot my other aunt had purchased a few years back, pre Covid. Turns out, my aunt was asking about her plot, and it was sold in 2022, without her knowledge.

The bastard had sold it from under her, without her knowledge and kept the money.

His brazenness is unreal, he sold the plot 4 years ago, kept accepting charity and asking for more money from my aunt, he kept leading on my aunts and father for money, documents, support etc, all while having already conducted this fraud. Nobody batted an eye or thought to ask because they trusted him.

This is where his house of cards starts to fall down. Mr S was caught, he started ignoring my father’s messages etc, until my father lets him know he’s been caught. We know he’s a fraud, we know he sold our land from under us, and we know the papers are gone and he’s stolen the originals and had strung us along with fakes for money, the game was up.

He admitted to it all, he was caught.

Now, my father offered to him to make amends, that it’ll stay quiet and nobody will know, that he must repay every single penny stolen from us. He owes us in excess of 35 million PKR.

Now, whether he pays it back, we won’t know. He’s offered to start paying it back this month. At the end of the month we’re expecting the first tranche. I do think he will pay it back, one way, or another. He is terrified and knows he will be receiving a software update if he does decide to pull a fast one.

It amazes me, he has the nerve to address my father as bhai, he has the nerve to use the name of god in his messages, “Inshaallah I will begin paying at the end of this month” etc etc, starts his messages with salam . The irony, he took all of the peace a grieving family had, and yet still wishes peace upon us. He took advantage of a dead woman who trusted him so much that she handed him everything she had to be the guardian of. He stood there, at her gravesite, continuing to take advantage of her name, to take advantage of her death for his personal gain.

And to me, just disbelief, we have alll heard of the stories. We all know the tales of land theft and family fighting over property, and dodgy agents and all. We’ve heard it a billion times, but what we, or atleast I never expected was that it would happen to us. It really doesn’t feel real. The money doesn’t matter, it really doesn’t, the betrayal, and the trust my dead aunt and my family had in him. All of that is what makes it shocking.

You know, the biggest lesson of this all is one about human nature. He had the ability to ask us for anything, and we’d more than likely oblige. We had helped his charity for 40 years. Our families were there in times of happy, or sad, in deaths, and in births, yet the nature of humans is to want more. It was never enough to have us on speed dial to give him anything he needed. Instead, he needed to pull the wool over our eyes, to take advantage of elderly women who had nobody else to support them out there, to take advantage of a grieving family, to take advantage of our trust.

I don’t share this story for sympathy, I don’t need any, we will get our money back. That is for sure. However, the reason I do share this is to let it be a cautionary tale. Another one to add to the pile, do not trust anybody. Ever. Not your friends, nor family. Doesn’t matter how many decades you’ve known eachother. Doesn’t matter what you’ve been through. Doesn’t matter how good they seem on the outside, nobody can be trusted, barring yourself.

Don’t let yourself go through this. Let this actually be a lesson, these stories exist on the internet, you may hear them through the grapevines, but unfortunately, they are real and they happen more often than you think. No matter how much you think it would never happen to you, just remember, to man, there is nothing dearer than money, and his greed for more wealth.

Take this as a lesson, stay safe people, and I hope you and your families never have to experience this.
Never trust anyone other than yourself. Never trust anything that you haven't seen with your eyes. Thats been the principle of my life. People call me narcissist but it is what it is! Pakistan is a dangerous place.
 
Sorry for your loss, both that of your aunt and the absolute betrayal dealt to you by your family members.

I hope this doesn’t come off wrong but Alhamdulilah i have never once encountered a family scam. I hear stories like these all the times from friends and they always just dont make sense to me because i cant ever imagine someone as close as cousins and among them even such a trusted person stealing from me. My family has had its own scams from middlemen or heard stories of very distant family that has had some sort of this problem but i could never imagine going through such a traumatic experience as having to treat close family as opportunist scammers if not calculating criminals who have audacity to not just scam you but face you in person and beg for more. These bad experiences make me realise how truly blessed i am for my family and friends. Because i know theres 50+ people in my life that even if they dont communicate it properly they are willing to go the extra mile for me be it money or another effort, i would likewise do the same for them, to think one of them may one day turn out to be such a person really unsettles me.

Money always complicates matters especially with blood ties that grow weaker by distance. Aiui you live in UK mostly, many of those family that live in Pakistan can have ties grow colder over time if you dont interact very often. Its another reason i would make a comcious effort to connect with family and friends in person to make sure that they can see me for a person to talk and understand, its far harder to steal from someone when you feel close attachment to them and you cherish memories with them.
 
Sadly such occurrences are common in Pakistan as well as the region. Some people do anything for money and land….

I’ve been fortunate in the sense that i never had that much money to invest in Pak. However it hasn’t stopped relatives from asking for stuff and/or money

I always abide by personal rule….
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1. The money that belongs to you/spouse is ONLY the amount u have with yourselves/in your own accounts or pockets. If u give any amount to anyone, its no longer yours and anything can happen to itz…..

2. Any land/property/assets that are yours are only yours if u went there, purchased and signed yourself with lawyer and court and patwari/registry office etc snd u left with the originals!

This is why in recent past, the Roshan Digital Account opening allowance by PTI and Imran Khan (Govt of Pakistan) was a great thing for overseas, people could open accounts in Pak without relying on others and could pay/use it without favors from relatives or family or neighbours. Easy and safer although they now become a bit expensive. U can pay your Pak bills, do charity, shop in Pak and top up mobiles etc. just neeed valid Pakistan NICOP and documents of foreign country for account opening and usage! No relying on anyone to do finances in Pak…..and nobody would know how much money you had…….

As for land stealing, those who do it await a great punishment when its their turn to go down/burried……when earth rejects their bodies its a sight for everyone around……trust me it doesn’t remain hidden then…..

Hope more people are careful and can avoid frauds……remember if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!

NEVER willingly suspend your disbelief.
 
Similar happened to my father. What I’ve learned is never to do business with relatives or very outwardly religious people in Pakistan.
My dad had lots of trees on his zameen. We loaned it to a religious relative. We let off many payments. He still didn’t pay for more than half of the multi year rental contract. If that wasn’t enough, he cut every single tree and sold them all for wood. Essentially destroying many years of hard work that went into planting all those trees. The area our land is in, trees have a big impact on crop output.
Once caught he said he’d pay us back. It’s been months he hasn’t payed a cent.
Prosecuting is hard and since it’s a relative my dad doesn’t.
This wasn’t some small amount either. It was well above 100 acres of land.
 
I wanted to share an occurence that happened with me and my family recently. Im not sharing for sympathy, but rather as a sobering reminder that nobody, no matter how much you know them can ever be trusted. Take my story as a lesson and please do not let this happen to you.


Around 7 months ago, my aunt suddenly passed away of sepsis. She (them all widowed) was among 5 siblings, 2 of which including my father lived in the UK, 2 of which lived in Pakistan, of which one, has really, really bad dementia.

Now as with every Pakistani family, there’s always internal strife, in our case, it was between our cousins. So for the sake of keeping important documents protected etc, my aunts would give them to Mr S.

Now I don’t know what the story behind Mr S is, but, Mr S was very close to the family. All of the siblings would donate tons of money to his madrasahs, for decades at that too. Everyone trusted him, immensely, he was the one my aunts relied on over there to get stuff done because they couldn’t themselves. Property, banking, whatever.

Now, we have a family house in Gulshan E Iqbal, that property was purchased by my father, however his mother wished for it to be equally split among his siblings, so he did so. My aunt however handed her share over to my siblings, for this, she had given all the paperwork etc, but for some reason, never got around to filing it. But anyhow, Mr S had the papers for this, they stayed with him the entire time.

Time goes on, and my aunt breaks her leg. She needs surgery, now, she had a rod placed in her leg, however, a few months later this got infected (please please please get any post surgery infections properly checked out!). This infection turned out to be sepsis. Now as we know, sepsis is extremely aggressive and within 3 days, my aunt had passed away.

This turned everyone’s world upside down. Nothing was ever the same, the house was empty, falling apart, the future was uncertain, especially for my other aunt with dementia, as she was her support system, everything just turned upside down. My father was extremely close to her and it devastated him like I had never seen before.

A year prior, my father had just beaten cancer, but he was never the same again. The toll it took on him just changed him as a person and his personality, understandably so. A month prior to my aunts passing, my cousin had passed due to cancer, it was horrible timing and just a lot to go through.

As with everything, the death turned into an opportunity for everything to become a free for all. Remember how I said they would keep the papers with Mr S to prevent my cousins getting their grubby fingers on them? Well some of the papers were kept in my aunts closet, which was raided the next day, the papers and her jewellery vanished, her clothes were taken out and replaced with my cousins’. Disgusting. Heck, they even took her phone, erasing it, deleting any photos and messages from her.

They’re a deplorable bunch really. My father at the time had no photos or voice notes or anything from his sister. Everything was left on that phone. Annoyingly I didn’t take the phone and hide it because I did not think people could stoop this low, but alas, they ensured that my father could not even have a single photo of his sister. Disgusting people.

Getting back to the story, my father knew the papers were with Mr S, including the ones of my aunt’s share. So my father asks him to begin the proceedings to have the shares transferred in my siblings names so we can sell everything off and do some good with the money in her name.

Mr S happily complies, as we expected from him. Obviously we knew this would take money, but my father not being local, had no clue how much and what the process was. Mr S would ask for hundreds of thousands at a time, sending convincing looking documents, posting stuff to us in the UK to sign and return etc, all seemed legit. Obviously all of this was underwritten by the immense amount of trust we had in him as a family.

I remember thinking to myself however, mr S has never invited us over. Not even as much to offer us chai at his, or food, or anything. Obviously being Pakistani, this is extremely strange to me, and I kept questioning my father about this.

The other strange behaviour I noted was he met us at the graveyard one day, at my aunts grave to give us a file with some of the documents, he came, handed us the file and left. Didn’t even bother as much to recite fatiha. Though, I can imagine the shame was probably eating him alive- or so, I’d like to think so. Who knows with these sorts of dogs.

My father doesn’t really question any of this. Until his deadlines were never met. Papers will be issued next week, this office is being slow, that one is on holiday, the usual excuses. We get a bit suspicious, but my dad, holding on to the decades of family relations we’ve had with them, their madrassah, their charity etc, carried on just sending him what he’d ask for.

It all carries on, he would send questionable looking documents that I’d look at and think hmm, but at the same time, I know the system isn’t really the greatest in Pakistan and documents that may not meet the standards of what I would expect probably do exist, so I let this carry on, with caution.

Again, months go by, he’s asking for more money, all in all, worked out to about 1.5 million PKR. My father, in hopes that he can do something good with his sisters share carries on holding hope, with him thinking there’s no way this guy would ruin 40 years of ties, support, trust etc.

We do however ask someone we trusted, our old tenants, who was a manager at a bank, he confirmed the payments weren’t real or something, HOWEVER, the issue once again arises, who do we believe. Our tenant who was abruptly made to move by my horrid cousins at my aunts passing, or this guy everyone deeply trusted for 40 years. My father held onto hope, and carried on going.

Months pass by, we’re now in April, and suddenly, my aunt (the uk one) calls my father and tells him, “Mr S is a fraud”.

Turns out, Mr S had also held the papers for a plot my other aunt had purchased a few years back, pre Covid. Turns out, my aunt was asking about her plot, and it was sold in 2022, without her knowledge.

The bastard had sold it from under her, without her knowledge and kept the money.

His brazenness is unreal, he sold the plot 4 years ago, kept accepting charity and asking for more money from my aunt, he kept leading on my aunts and father for money, documents, support etc, all while having already conducted this fraud. Nobody batted an eye or thought to ask because they trusted him.

This is where his house of cards starts to fall down. Mr S was caught, he started ignoring my father’s messages etc, until my father lets him know he’s been caught. We know he’s a fraud, we know he sold our land from under us, and we know the papers are gone and he’s stolen the originals and had strung us along with fakes for money, the game was up.

He admitted to it all, he was caught.

Now, my father offered to him to make amends, that it’ll stay quiet and nobody will know, that he must repay every single penny stolen from us. He owes us in excess of 35 million PKR.

Now, whether he pays it back, we won’t know. He’s offered to start paying it back this month. At the end of the month we’re expecting the first tranche. I do think he will pay it back, one way, or another. He is terrified and knows he will be receiving a software update if he does decide to pull a fast one.

It amazes me, he has the nerve to address my father as bhai, he has the nerve to use the name of god in his messages, “Inshaallah I will begin paying at the end of this month” etc etc, starts his messages with salam . The irony, he took all of the peace a grieving family had, and yet still wishes peace upon us. He took advantage of a dead woman who trusted him so much that she handed him everything she had to be the guardian of. He stood there, at her gravesite, continuing to take advantage of her name, to take advantage of her death for his personal gain.

And to me, just disbelief, we have alll heard of the stories. We all know the tales of land theft and family fighting over property, and dodgy agents and all. We’ve heard it a billion times, but what we, or atleast I never expected was that it would happen to us. It really doesn’t feel real. The money doesn’t matter, it really doesn’t, the betrayal, and the trust my dead aunt and my family had in him. All of that is what makes it shocking.

You know, the biggest lesson of this all is one about human nature. He had the ability to ask us for anything, and we’d more than likely oblige. We had helped his charity for 40 years. Our families were there in times of happy, or sad, in deaths, and in births, yet the nature of humans is to want more. It was never enough to have us on speed dial to give him anything he needed. Instead, he needed to pull the wool over our eyes, to take advantage of elderly women who had nobody else to support them out there, to take advantage of a grieving family, to take advantage of our trust.

I don’t share this story for sympathy, I don’t need any, we will get our money back. That is for sure. However, the reason I do share this is to let it be a cautionary tale. Another one to add to the pile, do not trust anybody. Ever. Not your friends, nor family. Doesn’t matter how many decades you’ve known eachother. Doesn’t matter what you’ve been through. Doesn’t matter how good they seem on the outside, nobody can be trusted, barring yourself.

Don’t let yourself go through this. Let this actually be a lesson, these stories exist on the internet, you may hear them through the grapevines, but unfortunately, they are real and they happen more often than you think. No matter how much you think it would never happen to you, just remember, to man, there is nothing dearer than money, and his greed for more wealth.

Take this as a lesson, stay safe people, and I hope you and your families never have to experience this.
Sadly, this is all too common all over the world. This may not be of much help since it deals with U.S. legal system, but some may find it interesting:
 
Really sorry that your family had to go through it. When i started reading it, i knew it in my head that mr S is going to do what countless others have done in such cases. I hope you guys get everything back. Just a favor, pls do share his name to others so the fraud is stopped forever. He probably is eating the charity too.
 
The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) told us to write down all transactions and deals. There is a reason behind it.

We still don't do it out of shame or guilt in asking some trusted member of the family to document deals and transactions and then we pay for it. This is so damn common, every story has the same root cause, that the transaction or deal was not document because of trust.

And yes, people change. My khala, the one who acted as a mother to my mother after the passing of my grand mother, the person who would set aside a portion of dry fruits (getting them from Quetta back in the day was a big deal) and chocolates (from overseas) etc., for her sister's children rather then giving all to her own children and so on. She took my mother to court on a property which my bother had bought from another sister, after that sister passed away and the daughter of that sister got married to this khala's son. She got greedy, and she won the case with the help of the lawyer who became the Prosecutor General Sindh. They filed a case against us that we were tenants who were not paying the rent for 10 years, they got an ex-party decision; ofcourse our own lawyer also colluded with the Prosecutor General Sindh (they had some other interests aligned too). All this because my mother could not ask her sister to complete the paperwork on the property deal!
 
Absolutely appalling @Ak01 .

I hope and pray that you find justice against such a vile and wretched curse of a man!

UK is teeming with such corrupt individuals, sorry to say. I fear it is getting worse, not better, as basic human morality is becoming more optional than ever before in human history. There is nothing left for such people to fear other than the kiss of cold steel.

My personal perspective is that "aversion therapy" against corruption must commence at a young age and it must commence with small matters.

It may sound semi-facetious but if our children learn that harm towards their environment, littering, harassment of any living being, neglect of the elderly, even basic absence of civility in front of neighbours are all actions worthy of condemnation and punitive measures, then there may still be hope. I agree with you and others that the worst among us are those who greet us at masjid on the one hand while indulging in corruption en route to and from the very same masjid!
 
Thank you my friend, the system may be slow, but we'll deal with this outside of the system, once the debt is repaid however ill have him locked up, but ill make sure its paid, one way or the other. The moron tried to keep hidden from us where he lives, but all it took was one little slip up and ive got it all now. CNIC, Address, number, he'll pay, one way or another

Again- it’s good that you’re trying to get justice- teach it also to your children- my son is only 1,4 years old- but I am trying to make him better and wise then me- never he should have this trauma- I am living on a very very low life standard because of this lost resources- it’s difficult to accept it- who know a what are the plans of God the Almighty.
 
I am sorry this happened to you. Property and inheritance are very fraught issues and cause a lot of conflict in Pakistani families.

I don't want to go into details but once my grandfather passed away, we also lost our house in Peshawar where I grew up due to manipulation and fraud by relatives. Apparently my grandfather's will was changed right before his passing without any of us knowing before hand. And the hurtful thing is that it's always your relatives who do this. Corrupt lawyers, judges and ghundas are brought in to empty the house so that it can hurriedly be sold.

You really find out the sheer level of jealously and resentment other people have, including cousins and distant relatives, once your parent or grandparent passes away.

I would advise people in Pakistan to please clean up any property title issues like in whose name it is, what are its exact boundaries, any liens against it and also record all property transactions legally. If one brother sells property to another but doesn't bother recording it, later generations encounter major problems.

We also have cases in Pakistani courts to recover our property or get share of the sale but those cases drag on for 40 50 years and rarely resolve quickly without influence or bribe to judges.

When it comes to matters of money and property, Pakistanis, no matter their blood relations and no matter religiosity, are extremely unreliable.
 
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I wanted to share an occurence that happened with me and my family recently. Im not sharing for sympathy, but rather as a sobering reminder that nobody, no matter how much you know them can ever be trusted. Take my story as a lesson and please do not let this happen to you.


Around 7 months ago, my aunt suddenly passed away of sepsis. She (them all widowed) was among 5 siblings, 2 of which including my father lived in the UK, 2 of which lived in Pakistan, of which one, has really, really bad dementia.

Now as with every Pakistani family, there’s always internal strife, in our case, it was between our cousins. So for the sake of keeping important documents protected etc, my aunts would give them to Mr S.

Now I don’t know what the story behind Mr S is, but, Mr S was very close to the family. All of the siblings would donate tons of money to his madrasahs, for decades at that too. Everyone trusted him, immensely, he was the one my aunts relied on over there to get stuff done because they couldn’t themselves. Property, banking, whatever.

Now, we have a family house in Gulshan E Iqbal, that property was purchased by my father, however his mother wished for it to be equally split among his siblings, so he did so. My aunt however handed her share over to my siblings, for this, she had given all the paperwork etc, but for some reason, never got around to filing it. But anyhow, Mr S had the papers for this, they stayed with him the entire time.

Time goes on, and my aunt breaks her leg. She needs surgery, now, she had a rod placed in her leg, however, a few months later this got infected (please please please get any post surgery infections properly checked out!). This infection turned out to be sepsis. Now as we know, sepsis is extremely aggressive and within 3 days, my aunt had passed away.

This turned everyone’s world upside down. Nothing was ever the same, the house was empty, falling apart, the future was uncertain, especially for my other aunt with dementia, as she was her support system, everything just turned upside down. My father was extremely close to her and it devastated him like I had never seen before.

A year prior, my father had just beaten cancer, but he was never the same again. The toll it took on him just changed him as a person and his personality, understandably so. A month prior to my aunts passing, my cousin had passed due to cancer, it was horrible timing and just a lot to go through.

As with everything, the death turned into an opportunity for everything to become a free for all. Remember how I said they would keep the papers with Mr S to prevent my cousins getting their grubby fingers on them? Well some of the papers were kept in my aunts closet, which was raided the next day, the papers and her jewellery vanished, her clothes were taken out and replaced with my cousins’. Disgusting. Heck, they even took her phone, erasing it, deleting any photos and messages from her.

They’re a deplorable bunch really. My father at the time had no photos or voice notes or anything from his sister. Everything was left on that phone. Annoyingly I didn’t take the phone and hide it because I did not think people could stoop this low, but alas, they ensured that my father could not even have a single photo of his sister. Disgusting people.

Getting back to the story, my father knew the papers were with Mr S, including the ones of my aunt’s share. So my father asks him to begin the proceedings to have the shares transferred in my siblings names so we can sell everything off and do some good with the money in her name.

Mr S happily complies, as we expected from him. Obviously we knew this would take money, but my father not being local, had no clue how much and what the process was. Mr S would ask for hundreds of thousands at a time, sending convincing looking documents, posting stuff to us in the UK to sign and return etc, all seemed legit. Obviously all of this was underwritten by the immense amount of trust we had in him as a family.

I remember thinking to myself however, mr S has never invited us over. Not even as much to offer us chai at his, or food, or anything. Obviously being Pakistani, this is extremely strange to me, and I kept questioning my father about this.

The other strange behaviour I noted was he met us at the graveyard one day, at my aunts grave to give us a file with some of the documents, he came, handed us the file and left. Didn’t even bother as much to recite fatiha. Though, I can imagine the shame was probably eating him alive- or so, I’d like to think so. Who knows with these sorts of dogs.

My father doesn’t really question any of this. Until his deadlines were never met. Papers will be issued next week, this office is being slow, that one is on holiday, the usual excuses. We get a bit suspicious, but my dad, holding on to the decades of family relations we’ve had with them, their madrassah, their charity etc, carried on just sending him what he’d ask for.

It all carries on, he would send questionable looking documents that I’d look at and think hmm, but at the same time, I know the system isn’t really the greatest in Pakistan and documents that may not meet the standards of what I would expect probably do exist, so I let this carry on, with caution.

Again, months go by, he’s asking for more money, all in all, worked out to about 1.5 million PKR. My father, in hopes that he can do something good with his sisters share carries on holding hope, with him thinking there’s no way this guy would ruin 40 years of ties, support, trust etc.

We do however ask someone we trusted, our old tenants, who was a manager at a bank, he confirmed the payments weren’t real or something, HOWEVER, the issue once again arises, who do we believe. Our tenant who was abruptly made to move by my horrid cousins at my aunts passing, or this guy everyone deeply trusted for 40 years. My father held onto hope, and carried on going.

Months pass by, we’re now in April, and suddenly, my aunt (the uk one) calls my father and tells him, “Mr S is a fraud”.

Turns out, Mr S had also held the papers for a plot my other aunt had purchased a few years back, pre Covid. Turns out, my aunt was asking about her plot, and it was sold in 2022, without her knowledge.

The bastard had sold it from under her, without her knowledge and kept the money.

His brazenness is unreal, he sold the plot 4 years ago, kept accepting charity and asking for more money from my aunt, he kept leading on my aunts and father for money, documents, support etc, all while having already conducted this fraud. Nobody batted an eye or thought to ask because they trusted him.

This is where his house of cards starts to fall down. Mr S was caught, he started ignoring my father’s messages etc, until my father lets him know he’s been caught. We know he’s a fraud, we know he sold our land from under us, and we know the papers are gone and he’s stolen the originals and had strung us along with fakes for money, the game was up.

He admitted to it all, he was caught.

Now, my father offered to him to make amends, that it’ll stay quiet and nobody will know, that he must repay every single penny stolen from us. He owes us in excess of 35 million PKR.

Now, whether he pays it back, we won’t know. He’s offered to start paying it back this month. At the end of the month we’re expecting the first tranche. I do think he will pay it back, one way, or another. He is terrified and knows he will be receiving a software update if he does decide to pull a fast one.

It amazes me, he has the nerve to address my father as bhai, he has the nerve to use the name of god in his messages, “Inshaallah I will begin paying at the end of this month” etc etc, starts his messages with salam . The irony, he took all of the peace a grieving family had, and yet still wishes peace upon us. He took advantage of a dead woman who trusted him so much that she handed him everything she had to be the guardian of. He stood there, at her gravesite, continuing to take advantage of her name, to take advantage of her death for his personal gain.

And to me, just disbelief, we have alll heard of the stories. We all know the tales of land theft and family fighting over property, and dodgy agents and all. We’ve heard it a billion times, but what we, or atleast I never expected was that it would happen to us. It really doesn’t feel real. The money doesn’t matter, it really doesn’t, the betrayal, and the trust my dead aunt and my family had in him. All of that is what makes it shocking.

You know, the biggest lesson of this all is one about human nature. He had the ability to ask us for anything, and we’d more than likely oblige. We had helped his charity for 40 years. Our families were there in times of happy, or sad, in deaths, and in births, yet the nature of humans is to want more. It was never enough to have us on speed dial to give him anything he needed. Instead, he needed to pull the wool over our eyes, to take advantage of elderly women who had nobody else to support them out there, to take advantage of a grieving family, to take advantage of our trust.

I don’t share this story for sympathy, I don’t need any, we will get our money back. That is for sure. However, the reason I do share this is to let it be a cautionary tale. Another one to add to the pile, do not trust anybody. Ever. Not your friends, nor family. Doesn’t matter how many decades you’ve known eachother. Doesn’t matter what you’ve been through. Doesn’t matter how good they seem on the outside, nobody can be trusted, barring yourself.

Don’t let yourself go through this. Let this actually be a lesson, these stories exist on the internet, you may hear them through the grapevines, but unfortunately, they are real and they happen more often than you think. No matter how much you think it would never happen to you, just remember, to man, there is nothing dearer than money, and his greed for more wealth.

Take this as a lesson, stay safe people, and I hope you and your families never have to experience this.
Salam,

Condolences about the loss of your family member. I hope you have had time to heal and grieve.

Did you register FIR? What was the update? If you need help registering FIR or if you are getting push back from depts DM me.

You can 100% get this man locked up of you have kept all the messages, falsified documents, receipts etc.
 
As per my understanding, here is the catch: Mr. S is protected by that charity. There is nothing in his name. It all belongs to the charity and he is the owner of it. Nobody can touch him. That's how wealthy people evade taxes and keep their wealth safe if they ever get into trouble.
 
I wanted to share an occurence that happened with me and my family recently. Im not sharing for sympathy, but rather as a sobering reminder that nobody, no matter how much you know them can ever be trusted. Take my story as a lesson and please do not let this happen to you.


Around 7 months ago, my aunt suddenly passed away of sepsis. She (them all widowed) was among 5 siblings, 2 of which including my father lived in the UK, 2 of which lived in Pakistan, of which one, has really, really bad dementia.

Now as with every Pakistani family, there’s always internal strife, in our case, it was between our cousins. So for the sake of keeping important documents protected etc, my aunts would give them to Mr S.

Now I don’t know what the story behind Mr S is, but, Mr S was very close to the family. All of the siblings would donate tons of money to his madrasahs, for decades at that too. Everyone trusted him, immensely, he was the one my aunts relied on over there to get stuff done because they couldn’t themselves. Property, banking, whatever.

Now, we have a family house in Gulshan E Iqbal, that property was purchased by my father, however his mother wished for it to be equally split among his siblings, so he did so. My aunt however handed her share over to my siblings, for this, she had given all the paperwork etc, but for some reason, never got around to filing it. But anyhow, Mr S had the papers for this, they stayed with him the entire time.

Time goes on, and my aunt breaks her leg. She needs surgery, now, she had a rod placed in her leg, however, a few months later this got infected (please please please get any post surgery infections properly checked out!). This infection turned out to be sepsis. Now as we know, sepsis is extremely aggressive and within 3 days, my aunt had passed away.

This turned everyone’s world upside down. Nothing was ever the same, the house was empty, falling apart, the future was uncertain, especially for my other aunt with dementia, as she was her support system, everything just turned upside down. My father was extremely close to her and it devastated him like I had never seen before.

A year prior, my father had just beaten cancer, but he was never the same again. The toll it took on him just changed him as a person and his personality, understandably so. A month prior to my aunts passing, my cousin had passed due to cancer, it was horrible timing and just a lot to go through.

As with everything, the death turned into an opportunity for everything to become a free for all. Remember how I said they would keep the papers with Mr S to prevent my cousins getting their grubby fingers on them? Well some of the papers were kept in my aunts closet, which was raided the next day, the papers and her jewellery vanished, her clothes were taken out and replaced with my cousins’. Disgusting. Heck, they even took her phone, erasing it, deleting any photos and messages from her.

They’re a deplorable bunch really. My father at the time had no photos or voice notes or anything from his sister. Everything was left on that phone. Annoyingly I didn’t take the phone and hide it because I did not think people could stoop this low, but alas, they ensured that my father could not even have a single photo of his sister. Disgusting people.

Getting back to the story, my father knew the papers were with Mr S, including the ones of my aunt’s share. So my father asks him to begin the proceedings to have the shares transferred in my siblings names so we can sell everything off and do some good with the money in her name.

Mr S happily complies, as we expected from him. Obviously we knew this would take money, but my father not being local, had no clue how much and what the process was. Mr S would ask for hundreds of thousands at a time, sending convincing looking documents, posting stuff to us in the UK to sign and return etc, all seemed legit. Obviously all of this was underwritten by the immense amount of trust we had in him as a family.

I remember thinking to myself however, mr S has never invited us over. Not even as much to offer us chai at his, or food, or anything. Obviously being Pakistani, this is extremely strange to me, and I kept questioning my father about this.

The other strange behaviour I noted was he met us at the graveyard one day, at my aunts grave to give us a file with some of the documents, he came, handed us the file and left. Didn’t even bother as much to recite fatiha. Though, I can imagine the shame was probably eating him alive- or so, I’d like to think so. Who knows with these sorts of dogs.

My father doesn’t really question any of this. Until his deadlines were never met. Papers will be issued next week, this office is being slow, that one is on holiday, the usual excuses. We get a bit suspicious, but my dad, holding on to the decades of family relations we’ve had with them, their madrassah, their charity etc, carried on just sending him what he’d ask for.

It all carries on, he would send questionable looking documents that I’d look at and think hmm, but at the same time, I know the system isn’t really the greatest in Pakistan and documents that may not meet the standards of what I would expect probably do exist, so I let this carry on, with caution.

Again, months go by, he’s asking for more money, all in all, worked out to about 1.5 million PKR. My father, in hopes that he can do something good with his sisters share carries on holding hope, with him thinking there’s no way this guy would ruin 40 years of ties, support, trust etc.

We do however ask someone we trusted, our old tenants, who was a manager at a bank, he confirmed the payments weren’t real or something, HOWEVER, the issue once again arises, who do we believe. Our tenant who was abruptly made to move by my horrid cousins at my aunts passing, or this guy everyone deeply trusted for 40 years. My father held onto hope, and carried on going.

Months pass by, we’re now in April, and suddenly, my aunt (the uk one) calls my father and tells him, “Mr S is a fraud”.

Turns out, Mr S had also held the papers for a plot my other aunt had purchased a few years back, pre Covid. Turns out, my aunt was asking about her plot, and it was sold in 2022, without her knowledge.

The bastard had sold it from under her, without her knowledge and kept the money.

His brazenness is unreal, he sold the plot 4 years ago, kept accepting charity and asking for more money from my aunt, he kept leading on my aunts and father for money, documents, support etc, all while having already conducted this fraud. Nobody batted an eye or thought to ask because they trusted him.

This is where his house of cards starts to fall down. Mr S was caught, he started ignoring my father’s messages etc, until my father lets him know he’s been caught. We know he’s a fraud, we know he sold our land from under us, and we know the papers are gone and he’s stolen the originals and had strung us along with fakes for money, the game was up.

He admitted to it all, he was caught.

Now, my father offered to him to make amends, that it’ll stay quiet and nobody will know, that he must repay every single penny stolen from us. He owes us in excess of 35 million PKR.

Now, whether he pays it back, we won’t know. He’s offered to start paying it back this month. At the end of the month we’re expecting the first tranche. I do think he will pay it back, one way, or another. He is terrified and knows he will be receiving a software update if he does decide to pull a fast one.

It amazes me, he has the nerve to address my father as bhai, he has the nerve to use the name of god in his messages, “Inshaallah I will begin paying at the end of this month” etc etc, starts his messages with salam . The irony, he took all of the peace a grieving family had, and yet still wishes peace upon us. He took advantage of a dead woman who trusted him so much that she handed him everything she had to be the guardian of. He stood there, at her gravesite, continuing to take advantage of her name, to take advantage of her death for his personal gain.

And to me, just disbelief, we have alll heard of the stories. We all know the tales of land theft and family fighting over property, and dodgy agents and all. We’ve heard it a billion times, but what we, or atleast I never expected was that it would happen to us. It really doesn’t feel real. The money doesn’t matter, it really doesn’t, the betrayal, and the trust my dead aunt and my family had in him. All of that is what makes it shocking.

You know, the biggest lesson of this all is one about human nature. He had the ability to ask us for anything, and we’d more than likely oblige. We had helped his charity for 40 years. Our families were there in times of happy, or sad, in deaths, and in births, yet the nature of humans is to want more. It was never enough to have us on speed dial to give him anything he needed. Instead, he needed to pull the wool over our eyes, to take advantage of elderly women who had nobody else to support them out there, to take advantage of a grieving family, to take advantage of our trust.

I don’t share this story for sympathy, I don’t need any, we will get our money back. That is for sure. However, the reason I do share this is to let it be a cautionary tale. Another one to add to the pile, do not trust anybody. Ever. Not your friends, nor family. Doesn’t matter how many decades you’ve known eachother. Doesn’t matter what you’ve been through. Doesn’t matter how good they seem on the outside, nobody can be trusted, barring yourself.

Don’t let yourself go through this. Let this actually be a lesson, these stories exist on the internet, you may hear them through the grapevines, but unfortunately, they are real and they happen more often than you think. No matter how much you think it would never happen to you, just remember, to man, there is nothing dearer than money, and his greed for more wealth.

Take this as a lesson, stay safe people, and I hope you and your families never have to experience this.

This is the "Pakistani story", where most of us know someone who has gone through this.

If he owes 35 million PKR, he should be able to repay the bulk of that because that sum of money far exceeds the annual salary in the Pakistan so I can't imagine he has spent that much in one go ? Has that been asked? It is a check on his "new found integrity" to explain where it all went if he cannot repay the bulk of it in one go.

Here in the UK, whenever a Pakistani teenager would get into trouble with the Law, the "community" at large used to push that person into religion, and they ended up a maulvi's etc. I there don't trust maulvi's here other than religious protocols.

Also, I have found(my view from my experience) here in the UK, the more "overtly" Islamically religious a person is, the more they prefix and post fix their sentences with religious phrases, then the more of a "probability(my personal experience!!!!!)" they are a lying cheating scheming scumbag bastard that they turn out to be and to me, it is a red flag. Religion does not make a person trust worthy, their inner morality and soul goes.

(Appreciate some people may find my last paragraph offensive, that is not the intent, that is just my life experience ... )

Hopefully you get it back, and if not - sue them until their eyeballs squeal to force them to spend money on legal fees etc
 
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