Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Starlord]

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this project seems promising, hopefully it will be done as said in the video, and bring opportunities to locals, now if locals keep an eye on BLA and report suspicious activities to Army, Baluchistan can turn things around for good, beach hotels, safari tourism, solar production, Adventure tourism, connecting roads/railways to central Asian countries (minus Afghanistan).

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

see the issue here is that if Afghans or these regions become independent they won't stop, remember the Afghans mainly pushtoons don't respect the Durand line, and many Pakistani's support Afghans claims, a certain Politician by the name Achkzai might come to mind. I think giving them Pakistani territory will make things worse, the best solution is too keep killing the T's, take out their leaders, and so we will have some peace for few months or years, until they reproduce more and regroup and we will see rise in Terrorism, and we will all be discussing the same thing over and over again.

Once the sympathetic violent regions are removed that are populated by sympathetic tribes, they won't be able to infiltrate beyond that as local support does not exist, plus we won't be blackmailed from retaliating, we can carpet bomb Afghans for deterrence and locals will not cry for sympathy or cry for terrorists. There's no support outside of that.

Think about the status quo at the moment, it is just a burden, we are sinking our resources, they are migrating en masse, causing communal hatred, running ethno politics, all for what? just so we can beg them to say they are Pakistan on paper? There is zero benefit we are just begging them to stay while we waste our energy on it for no gain.

 

[RealNapster]

LMAO.

so staying in your own province = Hitler.

Damn, the concept of borders must mean the entire world are taking after Hitler

Staying in your own province. It shows choice. If people of KP choose to do so. Its alright.

But level of your regardless. Confusing choice of staying in KP to forcing everyone from KP to go back. Its not same you idiot.

I hope other provinces send back all the KPK-origin residents and politicians to KPK.

So people of other provinces sending back people from KP forcefully. In your opinion it is same as choosing to live in KP ?

 

[Starlord]

Once the sympathetic violent regions are removed that are populated by sympathetic tribes, they won't be able to infiltrate beyond that as local support does not exist, plus we won't be blackmailed from retaliating, we can carpet bomb Afghans for deterrence and locals will not cry for sympathy or cry for terrorists. There's no support outside of that.

Think about the status quo at the moment, it is just a burden, we are sinking our resources, they are migrating en masse, causing communal hatred, running ethno politics, all for what? just so we can beg them to say they are Pakistan on paper? There is zero benefit we are just begging them to stay while we waste our energy on it for no gain.

I don't think that's good idea, KPK even in its current situation offers a lot, seeing that go to namak Haram Afghans will be last thing, Plus Pakistan develop that area with its money, blood and sweat, why just give away something that can be partially tamed? Like i said, we should keep killing TTP, and Afghan's. Now maybe in future a better KPK Govt will be formed who will have zero tolerance for Terrorism. I rather see KPK terror infested than seeing it go to the Harami Afghans who never work a day in their lives towards whatever little development kpk has.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Staying in your own province. It shows choice. If people of KP choose to do so. Its alright.

But level of your regardless. Confusing choice of staying in KP to forcing everyone from KP to go back. Its not same you idiot.



So people of other provinces sending back people from KP forcefully. In your opinion it is same as choosing to live in KP ?

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Pakistan is a federation of nations, do you know what that means? It is not a singular unitary nation.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

I don't think that's good idea, KPK even in its current situation offers a lot, seeing that go to namak Haram Afghans will be last thing, Plus Pakistan develop that area with its money, blood and sweat, why just give away something that can be partially tamed? Like i said, we should keep killing TTP, and Afghan's. Now maybe in future a better KPK Govt will be formed who will have zero tolerance for Terrorism. I rather see KPK terror infested than seeing it go to the Harami Afghans who never work a day in their lives towards whatever little development kpk has.

I mean I do agree with the point you are making but right now Pakistan is without any direction or meaning sinking our resources there trying to buy their loyalty while damaging itself in the process just so it can claim that on paper it is considered Pakistan. It's like holding onto burning coal to flex ownership but never using it ever.

 

[Starlord]

I mean I do agree with the point you are making but right now Pakistan is without any direction or meaning sinking our resources there trying to buy their loyalty while damaging itself in the process just so it can claim that on paper it is considered Pakistan. It's like holding onto burning coal to flex ownership but never using it ever.

unfortunately we are left without directions as soon as Jinnah died, since then its all downwards trajectory, Terrorism just push that process 10x faster. Our situation is terrible I must say, we have a enemy that is 10 times larger breathing down our necks with hostile intensions and nukes, then we have Afghan namak Haram who has no future or prospect of having one, so they are just reproducing and becoming Terrorists for hire, they just want to fight fight and blow blow nothing more. And even within Pakistan half of our country is infested with Terrorism, and even the other half which at least is not seeing insurgency is ruled by corruption, but still Pakistan is holding (only Allah knows) how.
I had little hope for Baluchistan but they shows some resistance to BLA, 2 large scale attacks to incite people to take arms failed, resulting in hundreds of BLA Terrorists dead, now more will join them for sure, but at least people of Baluchistan didn't fall for BLA. Now with new projects if Balcuh can finally see that their future is with Pakistan, and they are not going anywhere with this whole Azaad Baluchistan BS, its best for them and their future Generations. KPK on the other is confused, hence no progress against terrorism there.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

unfortunately we are left without directions as soon as Jinnah died, since then its all downwards trajectory, Terrorism just push that process 10x faster. Our situation is terrible I must say, we have a enemy that is 10 times larger breathing down our necks with hostile intensions and nukes, then we have Afghan namak Haram who has no future or prospect of having one, so they are just reproducing and becoming Terrorists for hire, they just want to fight fight and blow blow nothing more. And even within Pakistan half of our country is infested with Terrorism, and even the other half which at least is not seeing insurgency is ruled by corruption, but still Pakistan is holding (only Allah knows) how.
I had little hope for Baluchistan as they shows some resistance to BLA, 2 large scale attacks to incite people to take arms failed, resulting in hundreds of BLA Terrorists dead, now more will join them for sure, but at least people of Baluchistan didn't fall for BLA. Now with new projects if Balcuh can finally see that their future is with Pakistan, and they are not going anywhere with this whole Azaad Baluchistan BS, its best for them and their future Generations. KPK on the other is confused, hence no progress against terrorism there.

Bhai you are right and on-point analysis. You get hated on sometimes but you talk the factual truth

The thing is, the tribal Pashtun and Baloch they still hold a 15th century mentality where they are at war in their minds against Punjabis (basically all Indics here) so its easy to sell them propaganda and ideas of ethnic state and superiority, they are in constant competition/battle with them. They are obssessed even within the federation of expanding their territory and claiming X land is now belonging to Balochs or Pashtuhs. They want to live and work in Punjab or Sindh but they dont want their own province for anyone outside their tribes.

Eventually this is unsustainable and one-sided relationship, eventually Punjab and others will demand for it to be balanced, and they wont want to remain in a dysfunctional country that preserves a status quo of using them as sacrificial lambs long term, sink their resources and promotes hate for no goal or direction. Pakistan either fixes up like a responsibile state or collapses. We cant even retaliate properly against Afghanistan or TTP or they complain. Our hands are tied and this isnt how a country should be.

 

[I*R*A]

Everything you are demanding was done during the PPP/ANP tenure, at great cost and sacrifice by the PPP/ANP politicians, ordinary civilians of KP and the police / paramilitary personnel. We all know what happened later and how all of them were betrayed , once again, in favor of the Taliban. When you behave like that repeatedly for 40 plus years, you lose the trust of the people and the province.

My demands should have been the natural course of action for any sensible provincial political leadership in charge. Leadership helps remove the confusion, build a narrative, boost the confidence.

The attitude now in KP is those who created this mess, the Pakistan Army and ISI, can come and clean it up. Don't bother asking us for yet another sacrifice.

Okay lets assume Pak Army is responsible, and let us just remove Army, FC and other federal agencies and LEAs from the province (as demanded by a PTI lady). What is the alternate? What is the strategy of the provincial government to get rid of this problem? What are guarantees? Do you seriously think they can handle this on their own? What about the consequences of their decisions?

If these CMs from Peshawar were a little wise, they would know the importance of their province and not indulge into ethnic politics. Any smart intelligent guy would know how critically important it is to house two of the military academies in his province and having the largest biggest water dam in Pakistan. This province at one time had the most schools and colleges in Pakistan (this still may be the case). If the provincial government could get their head out in the light and only work to bring peace and stability .. from Waziristan to Babu Sar, this province is blessed with the most historical and most scenic sights in Pakistan, this alone can bring considerable forex inflow in KP and Pakistan, people will get cultural exposures and better employment opportunities.

But no, we have to remain kuway ka maindak, we will complain complain play victim card, act like whining babies and just refuse to move forward.

 

[Watandar]

A detailed BBC article on the Pakistani airstrike on a drug rehab facility in Kabul and the deaths of hundreds of civilians.

Pakistan strike on Kabul drug rehabilitation centre: Families want answers

There are calls to investigate the 16 March airstrike - which the UN says likely killed more - as a war crime.

www.bbc.com

This was likely poor intelligence rather than deliberate, but overall it is part of a completely failed foreign policy towards Afghanistan for the last 50 years. Absolute shambles.

 

[Oscar]

The State decides the party on power in the Frontier (and one that should per election results) has been in power in the center as well, is an enemy. And carried out a crackdown of such intensity that it obliterated any hope for reapproachment.
That is the fundamental problem.
That's even before the fact that the state is busy fucking the constitution in its ass.
Right now they are talking about raising the voting age to 25, disenfracnhsing 25% of all voters.
Bombing the shyt out of Afghanistan (which by the way, I fully support as a policy, should be done round the clock) is only going to get you a few minths of peace.

Because right now the focus is consolidating power for this cabal - this wont be a hybrid regime so much so a quasi dynastic succession that is looking to manage its hold for generations.

The PPP statements are pointing towards it and unfortunately it is case of emperor's new clothes as far as FM's and his understanding of ground realities are concerned.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Yes I do agree with him, we should do the same in Karachi too.

Cope. You and your ilk will never be able to do that lmao

 

[RAMPAGE]

 

[Watandar]

Why indeed.

‘If KP govt is blamed for terror, why not Balochistan?’

PTI MNAs question Centre’s "double standard" over worsening law and order in both provinces ; Tariq Fazal Chaudhry says issues are ‘provincial subjects’, offers to arrange meeting with CM Bugti.

www.dawn.com

 

[Sparten]

Because right now the focus is consolidating power for this cabal - this wont be a hybrid regime so much so a quasi dynastic succession that is looking to manage its hold for generations.

And that has been so successful in the past, like Ayub, Zia, Musharraf.

The PPP statements are pointing towards it and unfortunately it is case of emperor's new clothes as far as FM's and his understanding of ground realities are concerned.

FM actually has a pretty good understanding of the strategic sphere. More so than predessors. The Iran policy and his decision to take large scale kinetic action inside Afghanistan.