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Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help​

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A picture shows a Russian Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft defence system at the Russian Hmeimim military base in Latakia province, in the northwest of Syria, on December 16, 2015. (PAUL GYPTEAU/AFP via Getty Images)
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Amidst warming ties between its regime and Russia, the Taliban have expressed its intent to build Afghanistan’s air defenses with Russian equipment. And while Moscow has appeared willing to arm the Houthis in Yemen and even Hezbollah in Lebanon with advanced missiles in recent months, it may not prove so willing for the current ruling regime in Kabul.

In early 2023, less than two years after reconquering Afghanistan amidst a chaotic U.S. withdrawal, the Taliban allotted the largest share of Afghanistan’s budget to defense, expressing its aim to build air defenses.

“Anti-aircraft missiles are the need of countries,” Qari Fasihuddin Fitrat, a Taliban commander and chief of army staff, was quoted as saying by Reuters in April 2023.

“There is no doubt that Afghanistan is trying, and doing its best, to have it,” he added but did not elaborate on how the Taliban could acquire such missiles.

However, in an Aug. 29 interview with Russia’s state-run Tass news agency, General Sayed Abdul Basir Saberi, head of the logistics department of Afghanistan’s Taliban-controlled Ministry of Defense, was much more direct.

“I think we need air defense and airspace control equipment. We have ground equipment. I think we will purchase [such products] from you at the international level, when there are [international legal] conditions for this,” Saberi said.

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“In the future, we plan to buy Russian-made equipment that will enable us to create an air defense,” he added. “We would like to have such weapons, as you are the most advanced country in the world in terms of these technologies.”

It was perhaps inconceivable just a short few years ago that the Taliban might make such a request. But Saberi’s statement comes at a time of warming relations, exemplified by Moscow inviting the group to the St. Petersburg forum in May. Saberi comments suggest the group hopes warming ties could translate into weapons acquisition.

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The statement also comes after Russia recently showed a willingness to arm the Houthis with anti-ship missilesand reportedly transfer a medium-range Pantsir-S1 air defense system to Hezbollah via Syria.

A transfer of Pantsirs to the Taliban, or short and medium-range systems like the Buk and Tor, would undoubtedly alarm the United States. Since withdrawing in August 2021, the U.S. assassinated al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri with an “over-the-horizon” drone strike on downtown Kabul, where the Taliban were hosting him as their guest.

Improved air defenses in Afghanistan could complicate such drone operations. In March, the Taliban said U.S. drones were patrolling and “violating” the country’s airspace.

On the same day Saberi’s interview was published, Aug. 29, Iraqi forces shot down a Turkish Aksungur drone over Kirkuk, apparently using one of their Pantsir-S1s to do so.

There is also the dire risk that any air defense Russia supplied the group could endanger civil aviation. Afghan airspace has become a major route between Europe and Asia, with many airliners that had avoided it for years increasing their number of flights over the country amidst heightened tensions in the Middle East between Israel and Iran.

While that situation may prove temporary, one cannot dismiss out of hand the risk of a fatal accidental shootdown. After all, it was only in January 2020 that neighboring Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner above Tehran with a Russian Tor missile amidst heightened tensions with the United States.

Pavel Luzin, a non-resident senior fellow with the Democratic Resilience Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, doubts Russia will sell the Taliban advanced weaponry anytime soon, describing Saberi’s interview as a “sweet speech” for the ears of the Kremlin.

“The Taliban would like to get some air defense systems, but it is not ready to purchase them yet,” Luzin told me. “Despite the fact that Russia has a long-term experience of arms supplies just for free, some wishful thinking takes place here.”

“Russia is a global trouble-maker with openly and officially declared purposes of undermining the U.S. global leadership and the whole global order,” he said.

As part of these declared purposes, Luzin explained that Russia has shown readiness to deal with “any types of global criminal junk,” ranging from North Korea to the Taliban to the Houthis and warlords in Africa.

On the other hand, he pointed out that Russia cannot export sophisticated conventional weapons like Pantsir and Tor systems since it has lost so much hardware in Ukraine, with the Russian military industry struggling to replace heavy losses.

Furthermore, any air defense deal would not consist of Russia merely delivering the system off the shelf.

“The only possible way of supplying air defense systems like Buk, Tor, or Pantsir in Afghanistan is supplying them together with crews,” Luzin said. “The problem is that the Taliban forces are not very well educated to deal with the systems.”

“So, if you see Russia’s ‘Buk’ or ‘Pantsir’ near Kabul or Kandahar, that inevitably means that it is operated by the Russian military.”
 
So if Pakistan, inevitably, has to bomb Afghanistan again. Russian crewed AD will be used against our air force?

If so, how does Pakistan plans to respond?

If these systems are to be taken out, it would obvious harm the Russian crew on it.
 
So if Pakistan, inevitably, has to bomb Afghanistan again. Russian crewed AD will be used against our air force?

If so, how does Pakistan plans to respond?

If these systems are to be taken out, it would obvious harm the Russian crew on it.
Russian crew members won't be Pakistan's responsibility, they know what they're getting involved in
 
So if Pakistan, inevitably, has to bomb Afghanistan again. Russian crewed AD will be used against our air force?

If so, how does Pakistan plans to respond?

If these systems are to be taken out, it would obvious harm the Russian crew on it.

Blow them up. russians are nothing, they are nobodies. They are getting obliterated in ukraine and can do NOTHING about it. Apparently, over 200,000 russian troops have been killed in ukraine. russians are a paper tiger.
 
America couldn't train and build Afghan army with trillion dollars. You think Russia/India can bankroll Afghan air defence? These will be taken out first even if it include S400.

S300 is useless anyway. My guess they can provide them with drones and other small weapons that Pakistan destroyed in recent operation. The only thing is not sure why Asim Munir is waiting to restart destruction of Taliban military assets. Its pathetic.
 
So if Pakistan, inevitably, has to bomb Afghanistan again. Russian crewed AD will be used against our air force?

If so, how does Pakistan plans to respond?

If these systems are to be taken out, it would obvious harm the Russian crew on it.
No, the current friction between Pakistan and Afghanistan is artificial. It will go away and disappear after the next Pakistan-India war after India is finally flushed down the toilet.
 
Good luck with that. You think Russians like Afghan Taliban?

Better to buy Chinese hardware.

Or better if Pakistan buys Afghanistan out, like China has bought out Taiwan.
 

Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help​

ByPaul Iddon,

Senior Contributor.
Paul Iddon is a freelance journalist focused on Middle East affairs.

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Sep 10, 2024, 11:58am EDT

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A picture shows a Russian Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft defence system at the Russian Hmeimim military base in Latakia province, in the northwest of Syria, on December 16, 2015. (PAUL GYPTEAU/AFP via Getty Images)
AFP via Getty Images
Amidst warming ties between its regime and Russia, the Taliban have expressed its intent to build Afghanistan’s air defenses with Russian equipment. And while Moscow has appeared willing to arm the Houthis in Yemen and even Hezbollah in Lebanon with advanced missiles in recent months, it may not prove so willing for the current ruling regime in Kabul.

In early 2023, less than two years after reconquering Afghanistan amidst a chaotic U.S. withdrawal, the Taliban allotted the largest share of Afghanistan’s budget to defense, expressing its aim to build air defenses.

“Anti-aircraft missiles are the need of countries,” Qari Fasihuddin Fitrat, a Taliban commander and chief of army staff, was quoted as saying by Reuters in April 2023.

“There is no doubt that Afghanistan is trying, and doing its best, to have it,” he added but did not elaborate on how the Taliban could acquire such missiles.

However, in an Aug. 29 interview with Russia’s state-run Tass news agency, General Sayed Abdul Basir Saberi, head of the logistics department of Afghanistan’s Taliban-controlled Ministry of Defense, was much more direct.

“I think we need air defense and airspace control equipment. We have ground equipment. I think we will purchase [such products] from you at the international level, when there are [international legal] conditions for this,” Saberi said.

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“In the future, we plan to buy Russian-made equipment that will enable us to create an air defense,” he added. “We would like to have such weapons, as you are the most advanced country in the world in terms of these technologies.”

It was perhaps inconceivable just a short few years ago that the Taliban might make such a request. But Saberi’s statement comes at a time of warming relations, exemplified by Moscow inviting the group to the St. Petersburg forum in May. Saberi comments suggest the group hopes warming ties could translate into weapons acquisition.

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The statement also comes after Russia recently showed a willingness to arm the Houthis with anti-ship missilesand reportedly transfer a medium-range Pantsir-S1 air defense system to Hezbollah via Syria.

A transfer of Pantsirs to the Taliban, or short and medium-range systems like the Buk and Tor, would undoubtedly alarm the United States. Since withdrawing in August 2021, the U.S. assassinated al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri with an “over-the-horizon” drone strike on downtown Kabul, where the Taliban were hosting him as their guest.

Improved air defenses in Afghanistan could complicate such drone operations. In March, the Taliban said U.S. drones were patrolling and “violating” the country’s airspace.

On the same day Saberi’s interview was published, Aug. 29, Iraqi forces shot down a Turkish Aksungur drone over Kirkuk, apparently using one of their Pantsir-S1s to do so.

There is also the dire risk that any air defense Russia supplied the group could endanger civil aviation. Afghan airspace has become a major route between Europe and Asia, with many airliners that had avoided it for years increasing their number of flights over the country amidst heightened tensions in the Middle East between Israel and Iran.

While that situation may prove temporary, one cannot dismiss out of hand the risk of a fatal accidental shootdown. After all, it was only in January 2020 that neighboring Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner above Tehran with a Russian Tor missile amidst heightened tensions with the United States.

Pavel Luzin, a non-resident senior fellow with the Democratic Resilience Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, doubts Russia will sell the Taliban advanced weaponry anytime soon, describing Saberi’s interview as a “sweet speech” for the ears of the Kremlin.

“The Taliban would like to get some air defense systems, but it is not ready to purchase them yet,” Luzin told me. “Despite the fact that Russia has a long-term experience of arms supplies just for free, some wishful thinking takes place here.”

“Russia is a global trouble-maker with openly and officially declared purposes of undermining the U.S. global leadership and the whole global order,” he said.

As part of these declared purposes, Luzin explained that Russia has shown readiness to deal with “any types of global criminal junk,” ranging from North Korea to the Taliban to the Houthis and warlords in Africa.

On the other hand, he pointed out that Russia cannot export sophisticated conventional weapons like Pantsir and Tor systems since it has lost so much hardware in Ukraine, with the Russian military industry struggling to replace heavy losses.

Furthermore, any air defense deal would not consist of Russia merely delivering the system off the shelf.

“The only possible way of supplying air defense systems like Buk, Tor, or Pantsir in Afghanistan is supplying them together with crews,” Luzin said. “The problem is that the Taliban forces are not very well educated to deal with the systems.”

“So, if you see Russia’s ‘Buk’ or ‘Pantsir’ near Kabul or Kandahar, that inevitably means that it is operated by the Russian military.”

What are these Taliban fools going to do?

The worry is Russia. Russia is revealing its true colours.
 
America couldn't train and build Afghan army with trillion dollars. You think Russia/India can bankroll Afghan air defence? These will be taken out first even if it include S400.

S300 is useless anyway. My guess they can provide them with drones and other small weapons that Pakistan destroyed in recent operation. The only thing is not sure why Asim Munir is waiting to restart destruction of Taliban military assets. Its pathetic.

You are correct, but Russia should be watched very carefully.
 
Russia knowing how big of a menace TTA is for Pakistan and yet providing them anti aircraft gun, I am not sure if we can trust Russia. I wonder what kind of scores they are trying to settle by providing a known terrorist facilitator these systems.
 

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