Dalit
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Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help
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Nimble
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Stronger Afghanistan is must to bring stability and progress in the region as in future Afghanistan is going to be like a bridge connecting eastern Asia to the central Asia and Europe.... if Afghanistan becomes militarily powerful then they will be respected and peace comes with respect....
Afghanistan must have some heavyweight air. Defense in the form of S400 and other short and medium range air defence systems supporting each other....
At the same time they need some offensive weapons like large numbers of drones, FPV drones, loitering munitions, 2 to 3 squadrons of Sukhoi 35s or MIG 35s....
Finally long range offensive punch like Yakhnots, Brahmos ER or Onix types so enemies know that Afghanistan now has guaranteed punch to give him a bloody nose even if Afghanistan loose finally....
Afghanistan must have some heavyweight air. Defense in the form of S400 and other short and medium range air defence systems supporting each other....
At the same time they need some offensive weapons like large numbers of drones, FPV drones, loitering munitions, 2 to 3 squadrons of Sukhoi 35s or MIG 35s....
Finally long range offensive punch like Yakhnots, Brahmos ER or Onix types so enemies know that Afghanistan now has guaranteed punch to give him a bloody nose even if Afghanistan loose finally....
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Nimble
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Good luck with that...
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Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help
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A picture shows a Russian Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft defence system at the Russian Hmeimim military base in Latakia province, in the northwest of Syria, on December 16, 2015. (PAUL GYPTEAU/AFP via Getty Images)
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Amidst warming ties between its regime and Russia, the Taliban have expressed its intent to build Afghanistan’s air defenses with Russian equipment. And while Moscow has appeared willing to arm the Houthis in Yemen and even Hezbollah in Lebanon with advanced missiles in recent months, it may not prove so willing for the current ruling regime in Kabul.
In early 2023, less than two years after reconquering Afghanistan amidst a chaotic U.S. withdrawal, the Taliban allotted the largest share of Afghanistan’s budget to defense, expressing its aim to build air defenses.
“Anti-aircraft missiles are the need of countries,” Qari Fasihuddin Fitrat, a Taliban commander and chief of army staff, was quoted as saying by Reuters in April 2023.
“There is no doubt that Afghanistan is trying, and doing its best, to have it,” he added but did not elaborate on how the Taliban could acquire such missiles.
However, in an Aug. 29 interview with Russia’s state-run Tass news agency, General Sayed Abdul Basir Saberi, head of the logistics department of Afghanistan’s Taliban-controlled Ministry of Defense, was much more direct.
“I think we need air defense and airspace control equipment. We have ground equipment. I think we will purchase [such products] from you at the international level, when there are [international legal] conditions for this,” Saberi said.
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“In the future, we plan to buy Russian-made equipment that will enable us to create an air defense,” he added. “We would like to have such weapons, as you are the most advanced country in the world in terms of these technologies.”
It was perhaps inconceivable just a short few years ago that the Taliban might make such a request. But Saberi’s statement comes at a time of warming relations, exemplified by Moscow inviting the group to the St. Petersburg forum in May. Saberi comments suggest the group hopes warming ties could translate into weapons acquisition.
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The statement also comes after Russia recently showed a willingness to arm the Houthis with anti-ship missilesand reportedly transfer a medium-range Pantsir-S1 air defense system to Hezbollah via Syria.
A transfer of Pantsirs to the Taliban, or short and medium-range systems like the Buk and Tor, would undoubtedly alarm the United States. Since withdrawing in August 2021, the U.S. assassinated al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri with an “over-the-horizon” drone strike on downtown Kabul, where the Taliban were hosting him as their guest.
Improved air defenses in Afghanistan could complicate such drone operations. In March, the Taliban said U.S. drones were patrolling and “violating” the country’s airspace.
On the same day Saberi’s interview was published, Aug. 29, Iraqi forces shot down a Turkish Aksungur drone over Kirkuk, apparently using one of their Pantsir-S1s to do so.
There is also the dire risk that any air defense Russia supplied the group could endanger civil aviation. Afghan airspace has become a major route between Europe and Asia, with many airliners that had avoided it for years increasing their number of flights over the country amidst heightened tensions in the Middle East between Israel and Iran.
While that situation may prove temporary, one cannot dismiss out of hand the risk of a fatal accidental shootdown. After all, it was only in January 2020 that neighboring Iran shot down a Ukrainian airliner above Tehran with a Russian Tor missile amidst heightened tensions with the United States.
Pavel Luzin, a non-resident senior fellow with the Democratic Resilience Program at the Center for European Policy Analysis, doubts Russia will sell the Taliban advanced weaponry anytime soon, describing Saberi’s interview as a “sweet speech” for the ears of the Kremlin.
“The Taliban would like to get some air defense systems, but it is not ready to purchase them yet,” Luzin told me. “Despite the fact that Russia has a long-term experience of arms supplies just for free, some wishful thinking takes place here.”
“Russia is a global trouble-maker with openly and officially declared purposes of undermining the U.S. global leadership and the whole global order,” he said.
As part of these declared purposes, Luzin explained that Russia has shown readiness to deal with “any types of global criminal junk,” ranging from North Korea to the Taliban to the Houthis and warlords in Africa.
On the other hand, he pointed out that Russia cannot export sophisticated conventional weapons like Pantsir and Tor systems since it has lost so much hardware in Ukraine, with the Russian military industry struggling to replace heavy losses.
Furthermore, any air defense deal would not consist of Russia merely delivering the system off the shelf.
“The only possible way of supplying air defense systems like Buk, Tor, or Pantsir in Afghanistan is supplying them together with crews,” Luzin said. “The problem is that the Taliban forces are not very well educated to deal with the systems.”
“So, if you see Russia’s ‘Buk’ or ‘Pantsir’ near Kabul or Kandahar, that inevitably means that it is operated by the Russian military.”
Let's ask a nation whose genocide killed between 890,000-2 million Afghans. They did the following bombardments of rural villages, mass executions, and the use of indiscriminate anti-personnel landmines.
I always knew the Taliban were full of $hit with their 'heroic' stand, but this is hilarious.
Russia won't do a thing as they are worried about Tajikistan and other states in the region which hate the Taliban.
SteppeWolff
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S400 didn't help you nor did the "raptors of East".
Wonder how they are gonna help the Kunis where 90% of the population barely can form a sentence properly.
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SteppeWolff
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You are trolling and Mods can see that. This aint DFI forum.
I*R*A
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Russia is not going to behave and act irresponsibly. They are much aware of the regional situation and geopolitics compared to cavemen of afghanistan and desi james bond of india.
afghanistan doesn't have a legitimate globally recognized government, except for indian wet dreams no country is publicly going to supply weapons to a militia pretending to be a legitimate government. And supplying air defense covertly to a militia will be the biggest blunder.
Proven again, india is run by idiots acting like bollywood action movie heroes.
afghanistan doesn't have a legitimate globally recognized government, except for indian wet dreams no country is publicly going to supply weapons to a militia pretending to be a legitimate government. And supplying air defense covertly to a militia will be the biggest blunder.
Proven again, india is run by idiots acting like bollywood action movie heroes.
SteppeWolff
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How are even Afghans gonna pay for expenses AD, and its sustainment? Also, training and relevant infrastructure? Its not like few systems are gonna establish a viable IADS to stop Pakistan.
Sending poor Afghans to the Donbass meat grinder is gonna get them few pieces at max.
Sending poor Afghans to the Donbass meat grinder is gonna get them few pieces at max.
I*R*A
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Come on man, what's wrong with you, update yourself, you calling him dalit is an insult to dalits ... the proper words for them are
"hindutva Andhbakht", "Lampat", "Chintu Chutailay".
Dalit
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"Saaaar, Afghanijtan mast gib Pakijtan blady noje."
Goenitz
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probably.
but if a passive system shot down F35, don't count on that. There can be a gap, and an F-16 can be shot down.
The last thing I want is for an F16 record to be broken by PAF against IEA manpads or so.
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