Can Pakistan Win Bangladesh’s Trust Without Apologizing for the Genocide of 1971?

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Pakistan shouldn't officially apologise for any alleged "genocide" - this is actually a trap being set-up by India and other hostile actors so it can use it as a regular isolation tactic by saying Pakistan has no credibility as it is a "genocidal" state.

Unofficially, Pakistan should do whatever reasonable to mend ties and apologise in private but diplomatically it is a trap at an official level to accept such a claim.

Accepting such a claim will destroy your diplomatic standing forever at an official level. Plus this is a one-sided narrative that hasn't had an independent truth finding commission or the crimes against the Bihari people.

 

[Distant_Observer]

If Pakistan was nuclear then, East Pakistan would have been nuked.

No mercy for traitors and no apologies.

 

[That_Guy]

My own personal opinion has always been that Pakistan should apologize and own up to it.

Pakistan fucked up, admit to it and move on.

Of course, I would also like BD to admit to the atrocities committed towards urdu speakers in BD as well, which BD refuses to admit even happened.

HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I don't think it matters. BD has a bigger problem right now, and its not Pakistan.

India is a threat to BD, and Pakistan is literally the only country in the world that is willing to help BD for nearly free, just to spite India. BD recognizes this, and I think both nations are heading towards some sort of understanding, even if its a temporary thing, just to deal with the immediate problem of Indian aggression in the region.

 

[That_Guy]

If Pakistan was nuclear then, East Pakistan would have been nuked.

No mercy for traitors and no apologies.

Who betrayed who?

Mujib won, and who told him that he wasn't allowed to fulfill his mandate?

What a stupid opinion.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Who betrayed who?

Mujib won, and who told him that he wasn't allowed to fulfill his mandate?

What a stupid opinion.

I don't care who betrayed who.

They colluded with the enemy to break Pakistan. Therefore they deserved everything that happened to them.

 

[Ak01]

If Pakistan was nuclear then, East Pakistan would have been nuked.

No mercy for traitors and no apologies.

british pakistanis need nuking

 

[puttputt]

Given all that's happening in Pakistan right now, I imagine Pakistanis are going to demand an apology from the establishment. We should divorce ourselves from Yahya Khan and Bhutto's legacies as well.

So, I'd go a step further than an apology; I'd frankly tell Bengalis that we condemn what the cucked-brained establishment did to them. We're not of them (the establishment), and not of us.

PS: before a smartguy comes and tells me about Bhutto supporting the nuclear program. It wasn't just him. Pakistan's nuclear scientists were advancing the idea since the late 1950s, but the establishment didn't move on it (even when India was doing it) until it was literally too late (i.e., we lost E Pak and the US sanctioned us to hell after India did their tests).

Bhutto destroyed our industrial base. His party's wrecking Karachi. And the establishment lot are messing it all up in not just FATA, not just in Baluchistan, but frig, Kashmir as well. How tf they managed all that is either amazing incompetence or 5th column behavior.

 

[Master Chief]

"Can Pakistan Win Bangladesh’s Trust Without Apologizing for the Genocide of 1971?"

My opinion on this matter has shifted over recent years.

Of late, it has come to my realisation that Pakistan has ZERO actual need to "win Bangladesh's trust" and/or "apologise" for anything. Similarly, Bangladesh does not need to indulge in any cringey namby pamby gimmicks towards us either.

Pakistan can independently negotiate with Bangladesh as two independent nation states should in a mature fashion.

Both nations should continue to function in their interests and serve their people as deemed best.

If Pakistan has something to offer Bangladesh in this context, then Bangladesh should feel fully empowered to either take it or leave it, without any Delhi-sponsored media sideshows about "apologies" or "thawing of relations".

It is Indians that seem to want a panicked media circus every other day about other people's issues.

As @Hopefully Pessimistic said, if Pakistan starts playing up to this Indian media narrative, then it simply creates future ambiguity in Pakistan-Bangladesh relations, rather than resolving any real issues.

 

[puttputt]

If Pakistan was nuclear then, East Pakistan would have been nuked.

No mercy for traitors and no apologies.

You do realize that a big chunk of our nuclear scientists and personnel pre-1971 were Bengali, right?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

THIS IS A TRAP.

Any such official apology means formally accepting you somehow committed a genocide and will be used as a diplomatic isolation tactic by your enemies to destroy your credibility everywhere.

Pakistan should not apologise for defending its sovereignty!

Bengalis should open a neutral commission and tell the world the war crimes they committed against Bihari citizens and West Pakistanis.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Given all that's happening in Pakistan right now, I imagine Pakistanis are going to demand an apology from the establishment. We should divorce ourselves from Yahya Khan and Bhutto's legacies as well.

So, I'd go a step further than an apology; I'd frankly tell Bengalis that we condemn what the cucked-brained establishment did to them. We're not of them (the establishment), and not of us.

PS: before a smartguy comes and tells me about Bhutto supporting the nuclear program. It wasn't just him. Pakistan's nuclear scientists were advancing the idea since the late 1950s, but the establishment didn't move on it (even when India was doing it) until it was literally too late (i.e., we lost E Pak and the US sanctioned us to hell after India did their tests).

Bhutto destroyed our industrial base. His party's wrecking Karachi. And the establishment lot are messing it all up in not just FATA, not just in Baluchistan, but frig, Kashmir as well. How tf they managed all that is either amazing incompetence or 5th column behavior.

The establishment did nothing wrong with fighting to protect Pakistan's sovereignty.

The term "cucked-brain" fits closer to you, any state would have done the same.

 

[puttputt]

The establishment did nothing wrong with fighting to protect Pakistan's sovereignty.

The term "cucked-brain" fits closer to you, any state would have done the same.

They didn't protect Pakistan's sovereignty.

They didn't do shit. They either fked it up in East Pakistan so badly that the population revolted, and then they surrendered it once a real war was about to start.

And they did fk all when our scientists told them to use the commercial market to go and finish our nuclear weapons program. The answer to the problem was, "we'll go get it from China."

I am 100% down with fighting for East Pakistan. Fk, I would gladly go and get it back while also annexing territory from Afghanistan, India, and Iran. Today, let's do it. I want you to go out and say it, "Pakistan has a right to the territories of Bengal, Kanadahar, Wakhan, Baluchistan-Sistan, and Kashmir" and tell our leaders to let's go and fk everyone around us to do it. I would love that, 100%.

Your lot isn't here to advance Pakistani interests. All you're doing is advancing the interests of the establishment, whichever way they go.

 

[El Sidd]

Thread should be added with a vote option. It would also be appropriate to speculate on reparation costs.

Overwhelming majority of Pakistani politicians and the people support the initiative and sympathise with Mukti Bahani's struggle for liberating democracy.

 

[puttputt]

Thread should be added with a vote option. It would also be appropriate to speculate on reparation costs.

Overwhelming majority of Pakistani politicians and the people support the initiative and sympathise with Mukti Bahani's struggle for liberating democracy.

Mukthi Bahini should've been hanged the day he brought India into the mix. And right after him, the men who surrendered East Pakistan to India, and the ones who signed the Simla Agreement.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

They didn't protect Pakistan's sovereignty.

They didn't do shit. They either fked it up in East Pakistan so badly that the population revolted, and then they surrendered it once a real war was about to start.

And they did fk all when our scientists told them to use the commercial market to go and finish our nuclear weapons program. The answer to the problem was, "we'll go get it from China."

I am 100% down with fighting for East Pakistan. Fk, I would gladly go and get it back while also annexing territory from Afghanistan, India, and Iran. Today, let's do it. I want you to go out and say it, "Pakistan has a right to the territories of Bengal, Kanadahar, Wakhan, Baluchistan-Sistan, and Kashmir" and tell our leaders to let's go and fk everyone around us to do it. I would love that, 100%.

Your lot isn't here to advance Pakistani interests. All you're doing is advancing the interests of the establishment, whichever way they go.

I'm the biggest establishment critic on this forum since years. But no justification for separatist civilian violence, it was justified targeting them and they had verified Russian/Indian sponsorship.

Secondly, accepting such demands would be a diplomatic disaster for Pakistan and will be used to discredit it forever.