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puttputt
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Given the changes they had planned (PW turbofan, AN/APG radar, etc) I wonder how much inspiration they drew from the F-20.
ThoroughPro
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Gripen9
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PAF did a detailed evaluation of F-20 so most probably it did influence some of the design elements.
Northop F-20 TigerShark in PAF Colours
Between 1982 and 1984, the F-20 was extensively evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force, which was considering procuring 100 units. AVM Abbas Mirza (Retd), then a Group Captain was sent to the US and deputed with Northrop to test fly the F-20 and submit an assessment. However, the Tigershark fell short in certain areas of operational requirements of the PAF, and the procurement was shelved.
Between 1982 and 1984, the F-20 was extensively evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force, which was considering procuring 100 units. AVM Abbas Mirza (Retd), then a Group Captain was sent to the US and deputed with Northrop to test fly the F-20 and submit an assessment. However, the Tigershark fell short in certain areas of operational requirements of the PAF, and the procurement was shelved.
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Intervention-06
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Not true Pakistan also gifted J-6 to Bangladesh.In May 2026, a Pakistan Air Force C-130J landed quietly in Dhaka carrying a single heavy crate. Inside was a full-scale JF-17 Thunder Block III combat simulator—the first piece of Pakistani military aviation hardware to enter Bangladesh since 1971. That historic symbolism alone should give us pause.
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Beyond the Cockpit: The Political Economy of Bangladesh's JF-17 Moment - Australian Institute of International Affairs
In May 2026, a Pakistan Air Force C-130J landed quietly in Dhaka carrying a single heavy crate. Inside was a full-scale JF-17 Thunder Block III combat simulator—the first piece of [...]www.internationalaffairs.org.au
Reichmarshal
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PAF did not operate J6 but did operate F6.
The PAF version was heavily modified from the original MiG-19 or the Chinese J-6
MirageV3ff
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JF-17 definitely does have design influence from the F-20. Sabre II (atleast in mock ups) did have more resemblance to the F-6>A-5 programme with them utilising the F-7 airframePAF did a detailed evaluation of F-20 so most probably it did influence some of the design elements.
Northop F-20 TigerShark in PAF Colours
Between 1982 and 1984, the F-20 was extensively evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force, which was considering procuring 100 units. AVM Abbas Mirza (Retd), then a Group Captain was sent to the US and deputed with Northrop to test fly the F-20 and submit an assessment. However, the Tigershark fell short in certain areas of operational requirements of the PAF, and the procurement was shelved.
Ali_Baba
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PAF did a detailed evaluation of F-20 so most probably it did influence some of the design elements.
Northop F-20 TigerShark in PAF Colours
Between 1982 and 1984, the F-20 was extensively evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force, which was considering procuring 100 units. AVM Abbas Mirza (Retd), then a Group Captain was sent to the US and deputed with Northrop to test fly the F-20 and submit an assessment. However, the Tigershark fell short in certain areas of operational requirements of the PAF, and the procurement was shelved.
What is interesting is how much of the F-20 design influenced the JF17 design as well.
Oscar
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On the same subject of “Math is math” @Trailer23
If that is the alleged F-47 - can we accuse it of being the same 80s design?
Or copying in some parts of this
And so on…?
Point being
Math is math
Its what inside that counts now - aerodynamics has mostly been “solved” - its now creating that design with the right materials and then filling it with systems
If that is the alleged F-47 - can we accuse it of being the same 80s design?
Or copying in some parts of this
And so on…?
Point being
Math is math
Its what inside that counts now - aerodynamics has mostly been “solved” - its now creating that design with the right materials and then filling it with systems
Watandar
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Yes, like having ejection seats
This example with F7PG style wings and addition HP could just be a good fighter to induct in early 90s
Gripen9
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It would have shared the radar and engine with the early model F-16s so would have given a significant boost in capabilities based on 1990s coupled that with manufacture at Kamra would have been a massive boost to Pakistan aero industry.
Trailer23
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Slightly a bit Off-Topic, but seems like everyone has been talking about it.
If memory serves on the previous [PDF], there was some discussion with @Quwa in regard to RnD and what we needed to do to bring in expertise.
But our problem has always been resources and lack of funds to bring in talent from the West to help setup something - or anything for that matter.
Question is why does a Country like India face those issues? Its not like they can't afford them. They can easily poach people from Rolls Royce, GE, Safran and others to help out with their Kaveri engine issues. Not suggesting that it'll be easy and/or that i'd take 2-3 Years, but atleast they'd be on their way. I fail to understand what's their excuse...
Infact, it was recently (somewhat) brought up in the latest edition of: Ctrl Alt Defence
If memory serves on the previous [PDF], there was some discussion with @Quwa in regard to RnD and what we needed to do to bring in expertise.
But our problem has always been resources and lack of funds to bring in talent from the West to help setup something - or anything for that matter.
Question is why does a Country like India face those issues? Its not like they can't afford them. They can easily poach people from Rolls Royce, GE, Safran and others to help out with their Kaveri engine issues. Not suggesting that it'll be easy and/or that i'd take 2-3 Years, but atleast they'd be on their way. I fail to understand what's their excuse...
Infact, it was recently (somewhat) brought up in the latest edition of: Ctrl Alt Defence
Already Time-stampted
i dont think western talent is the key here.
the key issue here is retaining talent and the culture of our institutions.
if we had enough funding to bring in westerners, i bet locally we could do a 10x better job with the money.
ThoroughPro
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F20 was in 80's even before F16's. Thunder probably had some influence from GrippenPAF did a detailed evaluation of F-20 so most probably it did influence some of the design elements.
Northop F-20 TigerShark in PAF Colours
Between 1982 and 1984, the F-20 was extensively evaluated by the Pakistan Air Force, which was considering procuring 100 units. AVM Abbas Mirza (Retd), then a Group Captain was sent to the US and deputed with Northrop to test fly the F-20 and submit an assessment. However, the Tigershark fell short in certain areas of operational requirements of the PAF, and the procurement was shelved.
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