Can Pakistan Win Bangladesh’s Trust Without Apologizing for the Genocide of 1971?

[Muji.Iqbal]

Yes and no to your recommendation. I have elaborated in my previous post at length so won't spam again.

In short, Pakistan will not serve Delhi's purpose in this game. Of course, if India didn't exist, then there should certainly be truth and reconciliation AND even apologies where necessary - we are all perfectly reasonable people with no hidden agenda. But in the present reality, this behaviour will only serve Delhi's purpose and Delhi's hidden agenda. I suspect reasonable Bangladeshi friends will understand this and instead of dwelling on it, will forge ahead with making meaningful interactions with us in a variety of more practical fields.

Agreed we should have a level of self-respect here.

However I do agree Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the Prime Minister of Pakistan. Ageed here.

 

[PakAl]

1) Not accepting the popular mandate of the people - Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the Prime Minister.

Will not accept this, they consider him a traitor and Indian agent.

1966:
The Six Points by Mujib Rehman:
1) Government elected through universal adult franchise.
Parliament would be supreme.
2) Federal government limited to defense and foreign affairs
All other powers would belong to the provinces.
3) Separate currencies or safeguards against capital flight
Either two currencies for East and West Pakistan, or one currency with constitutional protections to prevent wealth from being transferred from East to West Pakistan.
4) Provincial control over taxation and revenue
Provinces would collect taxes and then contribute a share to the federal government.
5) Separate foreign exchange accounts
East Pakistan would control earnings from its exports, particularly jute, which generated much of Pakistan's foreign exchange.
6) A provincial militia or paramilitary force for East Pakistan
To strengthen regional security and autonomy.

Many of the Six Points, especially control over taxation, foreign exchange, and a separate security force look much closer to the powers of an independent state than those of a typical province. That is precisely why establishment of the time accused Mujib of pursuing secession, even though he publicly framed the program as a way to preserve Pakistan through radical decentralization.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Will not accept this, they consider him a traitor and Indian agent.

1966:
The Six Points by Mujib Rehman:
1) Government elected through universal adult franchise.
Parliament would be supreme.
2) Federal government limited to defense and foreign affairs
All other powers would belong to the provinces.
3) Separate currencies or safeguards against capital flight
Either two currencies for East and West Pakistan, or one currency with constitutional protections to prevent wealth from being transferred from East to West Pakistan.
4) Provincial control over taxation and revenue
Provinces would collect taxes and then contribute a share to the federal government.
5) Separate foreign exchange accounts
East Pakistan would control earnings from its exports, particularly jute, which generated much of Pakistan's foreign exchange.
6) A provincial militia or paramilitary force for East Pakistan
To strengthen regional security and autonomy.

Many of the Six Points, especially control over taxation, foreign exchange, and a separate security force look much closer to the powers of an independent state than those of a typical province. That is precisely why establishment of the time accused Mujib of pursuing secession, even though he publicly framed the program as a way to preserve Pakistan through radical decentralization.

Should have given East Pakistan autonomy. lol.

Either way, Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the Prime Minister of the United Pakistan.

 

[PakAl]

Should have given East Pakistan autonomy. lol.

Either way, Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the Prime Minister of the United Pakistan.

But he wanted more, his own paramilitary force, own currency, own taxes, separate foreign exchange.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

But he wanted more, his own paramilitary force, own currency, own taxes, separate foreign exchange.

Some of his demands could have been met. Not all of them.

But I am still of the opinion Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the leader of the United Pakistan.

 

[El Sidd]

Some of his demands could have been met. Not all of them.

But I am still of the opinion Sheikh Mujibur Rehman should have been the leader of the United Pakistan.

It's 34 degrees bright and sunny in Ontario. Enjoy the weather. Don't come back to this thread before first snow.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

But he wanted more, his own paramilitary force, own currency, own taxes, separate foreign exchange.

Basically wanted the protection of Pakistan without all of the responsibilities, i.e., paying into the treasury.
Would have led to all of the other states demanding the same thing
Whatever happened, happened for the best; original sin was making it a one country in the first place
Second was allying with Hindus to defeat muslims and being proud of it for the next 50 years, like what arabs did to the Ottomans, only to be replaced by the very same Hindus
Now Burmese, Indians can do whatever they wish, just like what Assad and Israel were able to.

 

[studsmart]

Will not accept this, they consider him a traitor and Indian agent.

1966:
The Six Points by Mujib Rehman:
1) Government elected through universal adult franchise.
Parliament would be supreme.
2) Federal government limited to defense and foreign affairs
All other powers would belong to the provinces.
3) Separate currencies or safeguards against capital flight
Either two currencies for East and West Pakistan, or one currency with constitutional protections to prevent wealth from being transferred from East to West Pakistan.
4) Provincial control over taxation and revenue
Provinces would collect taxes and then contribute a share to the federal government.
5) Separate foreign exchange accounts
East Pakistan would control earnings from its exports, particularly jute, which generated much of Pakistan's foreign exchange.
6) A provincial militia or paramilitary force for East Pakistan
To strengthen regional security and autonomy.

Many of the Six Points, especially control over taxation, foreign exchange, and a separate security force look much closer to the powers of an independent state than those of a typical province. That is precisely why establishment of the time accused Mujib of pursuing secession, even though he publicly framed the program as a way to preserve Pakistan through radical decentralization.

Isn't the 18th Amendment gave a lot of the above to provinces? Isn't PPP asking for some of the above demands too? Just curious.

 

[studsmart]

Pakistan should have had many provinces from the start. The East and West Pakistan concept was not right. Resources should be distributed across all federating units. Isn't Pakistan still suffering from the same mindset? Resources are not given rightly to the federating units today, whether from the federal government to provinces or from provinces ot local government or cities.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

Isn't the 18th Amendment gave a lot of the above to provinces? Isn't PPP asking for some of the above demands too? Just curious.

Taxes are controlled by Islamabad - provinces can collect limited taxes of their own but most of the taxes are federal in nature - FBR
Currency is one- State Bank
Police is controlled by provinces, and so is education, but "militias " or something like Rangers or FC are controlled by the interior ministry

Those demands made sense from his perspective, but you could never "run" a country like that.
Just a shitty situation overall

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Indeed, the origin of the movement was in Bengal and nobody denies that. Even centuries before that, the British knew that Bengal was the one place that needed to be subdued first and foremost. Be all that as it may, 1971 is a separate issue. So it is incorrect to link the them.

The problem is not so much that Bangladesh does not wish to break the shackles of Hindustan once and for all and rise to prominence. Rather, the problem is that Hindustan does not permit it.

It can only ever be either (a) naive or (b) intentionally misrepresentative to suggest that India has EVER acted towards Bangladesh out of pure benevolence. India saw an opportunity to harm Pakistan and seized it. That is all it ever was.

Bangladeshis already know this, though some choose to deny it. They only need to look over the border at what is the status of their kin, the same Bengali nation from where the subcontinental liberation movement began all those decades ago, to be reminded of what India actually thinks of them.

Bangladesh was an expendable asset for Hindustan in 1971, just like the Northern Alliance were for 20 years, just like the Talibs now are. This is the first and last hurdle that Dhaka must overcome PERMANENTLY AND IRREVERSIBLY for

'71 is a very tragic issue. It burns the folks who touched it. From my personal experience, it took a toll even from the Nesils of those folks....

One example. President Zia-ur Rahman, while being a major in the Pak Army, revolted and declared independence for BD from a radio station in Kalurghat in Chittagong in 1971. Guess what? Ten years later in 1981, a group of ex-MB officers from the BD army grouped in that very Kalurghat radio station, finalized their ops, and embarked on their final mission to kill him. From Kalurghat they reached Chittagong Circuit House where President Zia was resting at night. They emptied a couple of magazines on his body and dumped it without any proper Ghusl or Janaza. He faced Munkar and Nakir on a Na-Pak state. Is this the way a decorated Ghazi of '65 War against the Mushrikin should go? Such is the revenge of '71. We call it Ilahi Adalet...

Hence, the less we discuss about '71 the better....

*Allah-u Azimushshan may forgive all sins but Shirk for it is the Tejavvuz on the Izzet-i Ilahi. The BD freedom fighters received help from the Mushrikin and fought under their command. Hopefully, they have repented for it; otherwise, they might have destroyed their own Akhiret while trying to destroy Dunya for Pak.

**Fighting against the Mushrikin is the trait of the Messengers and Prophets [PBUT]. How Bakhtiyar of the Pak military members, who are engaged in it on a 24/7 basis.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

It's 34 degrees bright and sunny in Ontario. Enjoy the weather. Don't come back to this thread before first snow.

How about the same applies to you too, you twit.