Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

mangekyo said:
Bro, youre being delusional. Iran became forever marked as an enemy when the shah started beefing with the Europeans and threatening US hegemony when he tried to create an alliance with the Arabs to control the oil. A plan that failed because of the Saudis.
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Iran and Saudi Arabia had excellent relations before King Faisal was assassinated. As for the Shah, the Shah also suffered from the same Iranian grandiosity that Khomeini did. Nevertheless, the Shah wasn't overthrown simply because he made a few remarks against Europeans in his interviews. He had turned millions of Iranians into his enemy for decades. Millions of Iranians poured the streets of Iran to topple him.

It's a characteristic of Iranians to refuse any sort of accountability for our actions.

Nawnaw1 said:
I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. You're missing the elephant in the room. Where was that rat Khomeini living before they chauffeured him into Tehran? You need to understand, because you seem to have difficulty doing so, that Iran's size is the problem. They'd love to cut it up into little statelets.

Imagine Iran being an enemy with only 4 million inhabitants. Nothing to worry about, just another middle eastern oil rich fiefdom.
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Why do you think Iran's size is an issue but countries larger than us live peacefully without going through the same issues? Iran is the world's 18th largest country. Saudi Arabia is even bigger than Iran. Why did the West prefer them over us if it's all about size? Because we are too loud. We talk too much when we should shut up. Again, nobody asked us to liberate Palestine and most Arabs don't even like us but we are sacrificing our national interests over such an irrelevant issue.

Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, they're all more populated than Iran and none of them are getting bombed by the US because their population size is a threat to the Western interests. If anything, Pakistanis are hardcore Muslims, much more zealous than average Iranians when it comes to Islam.
 
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mangekyo said:
No. I’m saying the US also wanted it to happen. My reply to your other post answers the last part of your comment.
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Because the Shah ran away like a girl every time he faced internal unrest and the US brought him back to power again every time.

The US thought it would be able to maintain normal ties with Iran after the revolution. The US was one of the first countries to recognize the Iranian revolution and as I said, we even had bilateral ties prior to the hostage crisis.

The US didn't care about who ruled over Iran as long as American interests were respected. I don't see how that is equivalent to abandoning Iran as a country.
 
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Nawnaw1 said:
Sorry to say that Pakistan in it's core isn't even a sustainable country and it's only being propped up by the US (more or less in the past) as a spoiler against India and now by China as a spoiler against India. Pakistan has literally (and sadly) zero charactaristics of a normal country. 250 million hard working people and zero growth and endless poverty. Pakistan has hard working people and should be at 10% growh per year forever. It needs external enemies to survive and it's a vasal sadly. Imran Khan was on the right path and they just imprisoned him.
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I will try not take an offense but It seems like you have been too influenced by the Pakistani bloggers who are very active in deceiving non Pakistanis about Pakistan due to their political biases. Pakistan's foreign policy would be the same regardless of who'd be in power. But I won't go into the details.

As for Pakistan's economy, yes, it is a shameful mess but perhaps you may want to spend some time in other over populated South Asian countries: They are all the same on the street level: Overpopulated and GDP numbers don't reflect their actual lives.

As to the foreign policy, Pakistan has one foreign policy which is to safeguard its interests against a much larger, richer India. Pakistan sided with the Americans to safeguard its interests when India was in the Soviet block. But also for a quarter century starting 2000, the Americans were trying to make Pakistan an Indian surrogate which the Pakistanis refuse. Think about that! And if today Pakistan and China are aligned then that's because of shared interests and if those are against India then that doesn't make Pakistan a Chinese lackey.

BTW, the remark of 'Iran is Pakistan's strategic depth and Pakistan is Iran's strategic depth' was said by an Iranian journalist on a Pakistani channel once this war began. The journalist also said India will see the consequences of its historic betrayal of Iran once this war settle down and Iran will much more align with Pakistan and China [that was the essence of that journalist's message].
 
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