Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
You talk as if we have never given anything to Russia and China so far.

The only difference is that in return for being a US proxy, Iran was enjoying security and prosperity, booming as a tourist destination, huge construction was going inside the country and the Iranian passport was far more respected than it is now. Our currency was stable, inflation was under control, and our air force was armed to the teeth.

Funny, but the only weapons that actually killed more than one or two American soldiers in a single strike were the ones we purchased from the Americans themselves. I am talking about our attacks on the Buehring Camp in Kuwait. One sortie by an F-5 achieved what over 2,000 missiles could not in TP1, TP2, TP3 and TP3. :)
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Why do you focus on a couple of dead us soldiers? they're worthless. Why don't you say anything about the billions of dollars in thaad and patriot radars and launchers? I swear some Iranians are so doomy and gloomy their minds turn into mush.
 
Nawnaw1 said:
Egypt is bankrupt at the push of a button and Turkey isn't much different. The point isn't that. Iran is only isolated because of brutal us and western pressure on the entire world to cut ties with Iran. Something that they can't do forver.
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Turkey has been at the risk of default for years, but it is not going to happen because it is normally trading with the world. Iran is isolated because we decided to free the Palestinians from Israel, an issue that is not in our top national priorities.

Nawnaw1 said:
The hostility between the US and IRan has nothing to do with any Iranian policy. You go and think to yourself how Iran could have defended itself today if it wasn't for decades of proxy building, missile (city) building, helping in Syria, in Iraq. Isis was created by sad sunnies that wanted revenge? Or by nato and turkey. Or al nusra? This war has been going on for 50 years and it all stems from trying to create greater 'isr' and destroying all countries that oppose it and don't want to be a vassal.
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I knew the ISIS would be created against Iranian influence in the region a couple of years before it happened. I had read about it in a book by an ex-CIA operative who said one of the main goals of the US to contain Iran should be to invest on Sunni extremism to curb Iran's regional influence. It was a book by Robert Baer, published during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

That said, it all happened because we showed up on the US radar as a threat to their national interests. Nobody put us there except our own mistakes.

Nawnaw1 said:
Nothing Iran can do, say or could do, say would change this. If Iran had 4 million people, it would have never become an enemy. It has 90 million and oil and lots of home grown tech and industry. So by definition it's an enemy.

China is the main enemy of the US because they're 'communist'? Or becausre they're becoming ecomonmically dominant and a threat to amercia's unsustainable 'number 1' position?
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Iran was never an enemy by definition. Not until we decided to define our post-revolution identity as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary country that is bound by oath to be against Israel. It was our choice to do so.

The US and China relations have had its ups and downs, but the Chinese never chanted Death to America and the Americans never sang Bomb Bomb Bomb China. Again, we identified our state post-1979 revolution as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary state that wants to liberate the oppressed. We defined our own identity post-1979 revolution and the world believed it.
 
Persian Gulf said:
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I feel like it’s just wait for it wait for it it’s going to come hard very hard Iran can’t let this be a they hit hard and we will just take it it’s going to come soon and I’m feeling trump saying Israel isn’t involved is just a set up for the Israelis to come into play very soon
 
India pissed that trump jacked their tanker.......:p

You'd a thunk the Iranians hit it, but seems like the stupid Indians figured out the facts:

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mangekyo said:
The point is that it wouldn’t last. And the fact that they got rid of the shah proves it. Have you heard the saying «you can’t turn a hoe into a housewife?» we’re basically hoes to them.
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So, you're saying that the Americans got rid of the Shah and it wasn't Iranian revolutionaries and Khomeini that toppled the Shah's regime?

I believe Iranians do not want to accept responsibility for our actions.
Again, we introduced ourselves as a threat to the US after the revolution. Nobody told us to do so. We made a choice and it changed the course of history ever after. We overestimated our importance in the region and decided to go against the world's status quo post World War II. A bold move that was idiotic for a nation of Iran's capabilities.
 
Nawnaw1 said:
About Iran, if by now a person doesn't understand that Iran's existence is the problem to zio's, that person is retarded. They want no large powerful county in the region. Even if Iran screams I love America for 47 years. This is the reason zio's are already starting to talk about Turkey and Egypt 'next'. The existence of any large powerful country in the region is unacceptable. Whether Islamic, democratic, lesbian or otherwise.
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Right. Karl Marx was right about Capitalism. Without going too much into the causes of the two World Wars, they were the wars for the 'resources'. Israel acts partly as a theocratic state supported by domestic and international Zionists but Israel is also a tool to gain favorable terms for the West. Eventually, with the dwindling fortunes of the West, which happens to all nations and civilization who become 'decadent', no matter who would be near Israel with resources, would be attacked. Those here who have been cheapening the discussion here with repeatedly the mention of 'Death to America' are dishonest.
 
ShapurII said:
Turkey has been at the risk of default for years, but it is not going to happen because it is normally trading with the world. Iran is isolated because we decided to free the Palestinians from Israel, an issue that is not in our top national priorities.


I knew the ISIS would be created against Iranian influence in the region a couple of years before it happened. I had read about it in a book by an ex-CIA operative who said one of the main goals of the US to contain Iran should be to invest on Sunni extremism to curb Iran's regional influence. It was a book by Robert Baer, published during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

That said, it all happened because we showed up on the US radar as a threat to their national interests. Nobody put us there except our own mistakes.


Iran was never an enemy by definition. Not until we decided to define our post-revolution identity as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary country that is bound by oath to be against Israel. It was our choice to do so.

The US and China relations have had its ups and downs, but the Chinese never chanted Death to America and the Americans never sang Bomb Bomb Bomb China. Again, we identified our state post-1979 revolution as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary state that wants to liberate the oppressed. We defined our own identity post-1979 revolution and the world believed it.
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Bro, youre being delusional. Iran became forever marked as an enemy when the shah started beefing with the Europeans and threatening US hegemony when he tried to create an alliance with the Arabs to control the oil. A plan that failed because of the Saudis.
 
Meengla said:
You are right. No point going back to the history.
PS. Going forward, because this is a Pakistani forum, it needs to be understood by all Iranians and Pakistanis: Iran is Pakistan's strategic depth and Pakistan is Iran's strategic depth.
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Sorry to say that Pakistan in it's core isn't even a sustainable country and it's only being propped up by the US (more or less in the past) as a spoiler against India and now by China as a spoiler against India. Pakistan has literally (and sadly) zero charactaristics of a normal country. 250 million hard working people and zero growth and endless poverty. Pakistan has hard working people and should be at 10% growh per year forever. It needs external enemies to survive and it's a vasal sadly. Imran Khan was on the right path and they just imprisoned him. That's the same level of Egypt with Morsi and El Sisi. Sadly, because Pakistan can become a top 10 power in the world. Not the propped up military, but economically, scientifically, everything-ically.
ShapurII said:
Turkey has been at the risk of default for years, but it is not going to happen because it is normally trading with the world. Iran is isolated because we decided to free the Palestinians from Israel, an issue that is not in our top national priorities.


I knew the ISIS would be created against Iranian influence in the region a couple of years before it happened. I had read about it in a book by an ex-CIA operative who said one of the main goals of the US to contain Iran should be to invest on Sunni extremism to curb Iran's regional influence. It was a book by Robert Baer, published during Ahmadinejad's presidency.

That said, it all happened because we showed up on the US radar as a threat to their national interests. Nobody put us there except our own mistakes.


Iran was never an enemy by definition. Not until we decided to define our post-revolution identity as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary country that is bound by oath to be against Israel. It was our choice to do so.

The US and China relations have had its ups and downs, but the Chinese never chanted Death to America and the Americans never sang Bomb Bomb Bomb China. Again, we identified our state post-1979 revolution as an anti-American, anti-Imperialist revolutionary state that wants to liberate the oppressed. We defined our own identity post-1979 revolution and the world believed it.
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I'm sorry but you don't know what you're talking about. You're missing the elephant in the room. Where was that rat Khomeini living before they chauffeured him into Tehran? You need to understand, because you seem to have difficulty doing so, that Iran's size is the problem. They'd love to cut it up into little statelets.

Imagine Iran being an enemy with only 4 million inhabitants. Nothing to worry about, just another middle eastern oil rich fiefdom.
 
Lulldapull said:
India pissed that trump jacked their tanker.......:p

You'd a thunk the Iranians hit it, but seems like the stupid Indians figured out the facts:

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Their might navy not coming to rescue… shame
 
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