Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Their bases are far from rubble. The US still retains the capability to launch war on Iran.
Honestly, when you look at the situation from the perspective of an average Joe, the US adventure in Iran hasn't cost the Americans much. Close to $100 billion, which is not that much for the US's one trillion dollar military budget, and fewer than 15 deaths.

You are right: Money is not the major issue here. However, per my most reliable Chas Freeman, about 70% of the 17 odd US bases in the Middle East have suffered major damage. To rebuild them will take time. And the consent and help of the local govts. And still, after some months of lull in fighting, they, after having rebuilt, will be easy targets for a replenished Iran. Any sign of another impending war, Iran would know what to do then and any impending war will be heralded by another massive American armada coming to the north Arabian Sea.
As I said to you some pages ago: Once Americans withdraw after some 'Deal', they are never coming back attack Iran again--not even when Trump is the POTUS and after Trump, I see zero chance for that, Zionist lobby or not.
 
Geneva is Iran's choice IMO because Switzerland is an established, reliable, internationally established neutral state, especially if it agrees to mediate between 2 conflicting parties.

That and plus the central global location. Pakistanis kept Islamabad prepped for Islamabad Round 2 for a long time but that never happened and even Trump said he can't send Vance for another 18 hour trip unless there is surety of some meeting. Logistics are extremely important here especially considering Israel is hellbent to sabotage any way it can and it wouldn't surprise me much if the Israelis try to take out the delegation going to Geneva.
Netanyahu has turned into a rabid dog. 'Pagal Kutta'!!
 
If Iran gives up its 60% HEU and enrichment capability, and opens the strait, this is a total strategic failure for Iran. it seems Qalibaf and Araghchi are desperate to give America in diplomacy everything they couldn't achieve during war.

I don't think either are on the table as Qalibaf alluded to... I'm paraphrasing here... they want on the table what they couldn't achieve by force... or to that effect.
An authority managing the straits for pure security and transit is a must... tolled or not... the straits should be secured in case of any danger to in land states or hostile intrusion or to manage environmental concerns. There just cannot be any compromise on this or it directly infringes on Iran's national security and economic wellbeing.
As to the nuclear issue... the reason there is 60% HEU at all is BECAUSE ORANGE CLOWN TRASHED JCPOA!!! So it is a bargaining chip... and a direct consequence.
I believe Iran should have nukes... if they choose not to ... or bargain with what cheeto himself contributed directly in creating, it is upto Iran... and it doesn't infringe on national security... though does grant deterrence... but since Iranian positions are well defined and defensive in nature... they can continue down the same path... greater objectives canbe achieved by less.

However it shouldn't be handed over to anyone... dilute it... it is Iranian. There is another issue of a compromised IAEA... and that again creates a national security concern. And here much needs to be done...
 
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Fck Venezuela…. It doesnt impact Asia much, a toothless americunta can run around and bully smaller nations in thr neighbourhood, Asian countries can just fuel up internal fault line in US…. prop up latinos, blacks to fck americunts till the days euroids run back to europe. USA is a cowardly rent seeking state who cant bring real boots on ground and any country which can produce decent bike engines can overwhelm US navy and Air force present in vicinity of 2000 fckin kms….
Its time Resource rich west asia and Africans see the reality and start trading in local currencies abandon US dollar make the parasite americunts weak

You just joined today and such an entrance to the forum!!
But, as far as Latin America is concerned, the whole damn large continent is a joke. I don't want to say much to offend anyone from there. Maybe in some other thread.
 
I am just glad that everyone gets to Rob and spit on UAE…. First Americans sold them all the fency unworkable weapons for billions , then Israelis stole billions in the name of protection and investments and now Iranians are the new kid on the block demanding billions …..

I just cannot stop laughing 🤣
 
There is another explanation.

Aragchi is lying presently.

I mentioned previously that Iran should be LESS predictable, just like Trump is unpredictable. We don't know when Trump tells the truth and when he lies, which in itself would derail any opponent who consistently tells the truth. Iran should absolutely lie publicly if it throws Trump's plans off target.
we do know when trump lies. Its when he opens his mouth
 
I am just glad that everyone gets to Rob and spit on UAE…. First Americans sold them all the fency unworkable weapons for billions , then Israelis stole billions in the name of protection and investments and now Iranians are the new kid on the block demanding billions …..

I just cannot stop laughing 🤣
Jango bhai the entire GCC has been undermined now and severely compromised. And by default the AL-Turkiya/ Israel/ Azher Bhaija trio as well.

By demolishing the US military in the region......Irans defacto destroyed any semblance of these 'do rupay k' others too no?

Its so over tbh.......
 
I think the best scenario for Iran is to get any money that the US is willing to give us and then run and hide for the next round lol
Is it just me or is there a direct relationship between # of Shaheds fired at GCC targets and the amount of$b that gets returns to Iran?

The US govt has known for a few decades( at the min), that a big military clash with Iran would have serious consequences, and thats why it avoided one with Iran for a few decades ,so Trump's failure at war with Iran will surely have grave consequences for some US interests in the world.
 
If a "deal" is truly signed, presumably for the rest of the decade the west will focus on building pipelines and other methods to bypass Hormuz to remove that card from the equation. We should also presume that the US does not follow through with any agreement and that maximum pressure either remains or returns with any subsequent US presidential regimes. We should expect to see another war in the 2030s.

What lessons were learned from this war and how can Iran prepare for a future conflict?

In my opinion:
  • IRIAF will remain a weak point. Based on historical precedent, zionist Russia will continue to delay delivering already obsolete aircraft to IRIAF. Despite IRIAF being the force most dependent on foreign equipment, I don't expect them to make any efforts towards obtaining Chinese fighters due to its internal bias. Despite Rouhani-esque dreams of getting fighters from Europe, no other sources exist due to CAATSA sanctions. Given continued airframe attrition and lack of viable replacements, IRIAF will play an even smaller, if any role at all, in the next conflict.
  • IRIN performed abysmally and does not seem worth rebuilding outside of small coastal missile boats for launching missiles at tankers. Larger ships were not survivable and had essentially no useful offensive capacity. Moudge class is a dead-end, useless platform. IRIN seems unlikely to be able to build a force to challenge the USN within the next few years.
  • AD force needs massive expansion and doctrinal reorganization. Independent mobile TELs/TELARs were the most effective during the conflict. However when utilizing ambush tactics you are ceding your airspace. Geography remains a challenge for a more fixed area denial force.
  • The missile force was the most effective force. The bases proved survivable and maintained the ability to fire throughout the entire conflict. Given Iran's willingness to accept ceasefires whenever the enemy runs low on interceptors, the question becomes whether there should be a move towards quality over quantity.
  • Lessons for the Army should be mostly taken from Lebanon theatre. Army seems to be appropriately focusing on mobile light infantry with drones/FPV capability over heavier armor. Ground forces will remain extremely vulnerable to enemy air power and will have difficulties holding ground as we have seen the IDF continue to advance in Lebanon despite relatively high losses.
  • Iran did not have a good answer to the naval blockade and likely will not next time either. Land routes east to China were discussed as an alternative but are limited by lower capacity, need for cooperation by multiple countries, mountainous terrain, and exposure to US proxy forces like ISIS-K and ETIM.
Iranian military planners should presume the next war will be fought from a much weaker overall position compared to this conflict.
 
You have to believe right after this deal is signed, and if sanctions are indeed lifted, that they will start far more aggressive economic integration with China, Russia, Pakistan, Turkey, Vietnam, Central Asian countries, etc. Probably the best opportunity to truly turn east they have ever had.
 
If a "deal" is truly signed, presumably for the rest of the decade the west will focus on building pipelines and other methods to bypass Hormuz to remove that card from the equation. We should also presume that the US does not follow through with any agreement and that maximum pressure either remains or returns with any subsequent US presidential regimes. We should expect to see another war in the 2030s.

What lessons were learned from this war and how can Iran prepare for a future conflict?
You're both right and wrong in your assessment. Everything canbe done better... however under sanctions and a potential blockade what is the most critical resource that you fan rely upon?
The pipelines are expensive and harder to protect. They're not a solution especially in a hostile environment.

And herein lies your answer. Iran had to make do with lowest common denominator!

In my opinion:
  • IRIAF will remain a weak point. Based on historical precedent, zionist Russia will continue to delay delivering already obsolete aircraft to IRIAF. Despite IRIAF being the force most dependent on foreign equipment, I don't expect them to make any efforts towards obtaining Chinese fighters due to its internal bias. Despite Rouhani-esque dreams of getting fighters from Europe, no other sources exist due to CAATSA sanctions. Given continued airframe attrition and lack of viable replacements, IRIAF will play an even smaller, if any role at all, in the next conflict.
Conventional air force can only perform missions within uncontested airspace against the largest and most mobile airforce in the world. The technological edge is there, fleeting but there are workarounds against that and Iran again showed how they employed their systems. That kept Iranian airspace hostile and contested at all times.

  • IRIN performed abysmally and does not seem worth rebuilding outside of small coastal missile boats for launching missiles at tankers. Larger ships were not survivable and had essentially no useful offensive capacity. Moudge class is a dead-end, useless platform. IRIN seems unlikely to be able to build a force to challenge the USN within the next few years.
Again if the competition is USN then best have unmanned or agile fast boats... many of them and spread around. Asymmetry needs to be embraced here again!

  • AD force needs massive expansion and doctrinal reorganization. Independent mobile TELs/TELARs were the most effective during the conflict. However when utilizing ambush tactics you are ceding your airspace. Geography remains a challenge for a more fixed area denial force.
Now here improvements canbe made... both in use, redundancy because most likely the ADS are going to absorb first blows... again the Russian approach is better suited for Iran as well... long range SAMs work best for land powers. Iran would have enjoyed relative safety had Iraqi airspace been contested even better if it was Syrian as well...

  • The missile force was the most effective force. The bases proved survivable and maintained the ability to fire throughout the entire conflict. Given Iran's willingness to accept ceasefires whenever the enemy runs low on interceptors, the question becomes whether there should be a move towards quality over quantity.
The missiles and drones do here for Iran what it's airforce cannot... they however do need a hi-lo mox in salvos... and see what works best... as they did multiple times... with one snuck in there for good measure. Here... quantity is a friend.
And, they would need one off multi launch systems... one and done... that are not mobile but provide an immediate and instantaneous return fire... something that canbe critical in time sensitive situations. That means pre locked and loaded 10s or even hundreds such systems dispersed across the territory.

  • Lessons for the Army should be mostly taken from Lebanon theatre. Army seems to be appropriately focusing on mobile light infantry with drones/FPV capability over heavier armor. Ground forces will remain extremely vulnerable to enemy air power and will have difficulties holding ground as we have seen the IDF continue to advance in Lebanon despite relatively high losses.

Artesh wasn't really needed... but Iran needs a highly mobile unit as it likely wouldn't face a large land invasion due to its size and geography. It will most likely be small team incursions from land air or sea needing quick effective response. Land attack drones may also be of good use here...

  • Iran did not have a good answer to the naval blockade and likely will not next time either. Land routes east to China were discussed as an alternative but are limited by lower capacity, need for cooperation by multiple countries, mountainous terrain, and exposure to US proxy forces like ISIS-K and ETIM.
Land routes and Caspian trade is an alternative but US is primarily a sea power and though Iran can expand it's A2/AD and increase the operating distance... they cannot totally undo it... unless China starts escorting approved shops out of the second perimeter.

Iranian military planners should presume the next war will be fought from a much weaker overall position compared to this conflict.
Iranian planners will know that they've exhausted a bear and it will be a bear after the hibernation is over as well. Iran will still be an underdog and will still deploy asymmetrically. As I said US bases are in effect redundant in the region. The distance is a key factor and something worthwhile to establish.
 
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This thing just rocks bro. I bet there's hundreds of these connected by them tunnels all over the country. Pak army needs to study these and develop something similar.

Get a few TBMs and start building these secret underground fortresses.
 

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