Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Paucity of time only let me watch half of my favorite Lebanon expert Elijah Magnier. Some take away: Israel's expansionist agenda is not America's but maybe for some Republican elites. It will be up to President Trump to put his foot down on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon. The so-called 100 million barrels of oil that Trump boasts about passed through is only a small amount to make up for the loss and some of the oil passed through because Iran allowed that.
Elijah is a neurosurgeon's knife: Facts, facts and only facts.

 

[Nawnaw1]

The "deal" is going to be signed electronically, per Iranian sources.

And I'm starting to agree with @Persian Gulf. It seems like a terrible deal. I just hope we would be given some cash before the next round of war.

The two doomers/gloomers agree. Alright then, next topic.

 

[Nawnaw1]

Some sort of toll shared by Iran and Oman for SOH is still a income generator both for commercial and bulf freight vessels. Im curious if Iran will still try to limit other country military vessels.

in a way by controling SOH, one makes Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Iraq land locked, that is huge geopolitical leverage and an own goal by the US under moron trump

Of course. If anybody thinks Iran will allowd the 5th fleet base in Bahrain to be reused, I'll eat my hat and I will personally join in attacking Iran's leadership haha.

 

[Flotilla]

Just finished watching.
There seems disagreement between Pepe and the Iranian guy (sorry, I don't know his name yet) about there is a final sign off on any agreement from Iran's Supreme Leader. The Iranian is saying he has confirmation about an agreement from Iranian sources and from a certain Pakistani (obviously referring to Asim Munir). Larry is pointing toward the 'centrality' of Pakistan's role in all this though Pakistan is not in the spotlight; per Larry, Pakistan has a nuclear umbrella for Turkey and Saudi Arabia. The panel seem to agree upon Russia and China, working through Pakistan, working on a security arrangement involving Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Yes. And it is curious everything came after US visited China and later Putin.

It was a Chinese member that said that after Trump and Putin visit to China It would be a agreement. I don't recall the name but I remember clearly what he did.

Pakistán and China role seems to be central on It.

This parallel arrangement seems even more important that the public one. As they said It will change all the Middle East region.

 

[Aziqbal]

T


The figures quoted are verifiably correct, Sir.

The claim of $3billion being delivered as claimed are provably FALSE.

Only the dumb persist in deluding themselves in the face of verifiable facts.

stay in denial

many people suffer from this issue

 

[Meengla]

Yes. And it is curious everything came after US visited China and later Putin.
It was a Chinese member that said that after Trump and Putin visit to China It would be a agreement. I don't recall the name but I remember clearly what he did.
Pakistán and China role seems to be central on It.
This parallel arrangement seems even more important that the public one. As they said It will change all the Middle East region.

Yes, there was a Chinese member who said something like that and I don't recall who he was. It is unfortunate that some members choose non Latin characters as their profile/DP names and we can't refer to them. Regardless of any member's background, they don't do any service to this forum or themselves by having their DP in Arabic, Urdu, Chinese or whatever non Latin/English characters.
Sigh!

 

[Flotilla]

The "deal" is going to be signed electronically, per Iranian sources.

And I'm starting to agree with @Persian Gulf. It seems like a terrible deal. I just hope we would be given some cash before the next round of war.

You should be a bit more optimistic. During this 60 days Irán will get two important things,

One is time (60 days).
The other is money.

While enriching more uranium and manufacturing nuclear delivery systems, Irán just need to send the first payment (3.000 millions USD) directly to Russia and collect the complete Su35 squadron while assembling more missiles.

Here we have an old proverb "Pray to God, but keep hammering away.".

 

[VCheng]

stay in denial

many people suffer from this issue

Sigh.

FACTS:

The weight of $3billion in 100 dollars bills is 66,000 lbs.

The maximum payload a B737 BBJ is 36,000 lbs.

 

[Al-Zakir]

Israeli fighter jets burried in ruble? Its air bases gone non-operational? Its economic infrastructure destroyed & economy down to gutters?
Please care to explain how Iran has broke the Israeli back while all the above things are true for iran, not for israel.

Is Israhell still a state where nothing penetrate it's sky?

The concept of invincible viable state is no longer exist and silent mass exodus is taking place.

 

[Starlord]

Sigh.

FACTS:

The weight of $3billion in 100 dollars bills is 66,000 lbs.

The maximum payload a B737 BBJ is 36,000 lbs.

It can be demand draft or bank Cheques

 

[VCheng]

It can be demand draft or bank Cheques

The claim was made "in cash".

 

[ShapurII]

On what basis is it a terrible deal if it is signed electronically? No one knows. It is all speculation right now.

Huh? It's a terrible deal because most of what Iran gets is dependent on determining the fate of HEU in Iran, not because how it's signed lol

There’s no deal. It’s just an excuse for a ceasefire.

Please list what Iran is giving up?

SoH and Missile tech are Iran’s leverage and will keep being deployed whenever Iran needs it.

HEU has no offensive or defensive value to Iran.

Iran wasn’t attacked because it was a nuclear threat.

It was attacked because it was a geopolitical threat. Hence the effort to turn it into a failed state.

In which universe 440 kilograms of 60% HEU has no defensive or offensive value? Seriously?

Iran is not a geopolitical threat without nuclear deterrence. Iran is Syria 2.0 without nuclear deterrence. We couldn't even hold a ceremony for our Supreme Leader after several months because we have nearly zero defensive capabilities. Iran has no air force, no navy, almost no air defense, and trust me, if you think our air force is bad, you will be surprised to find out that our ground forces aren't any better either.
The only thing that keeps Iran safe from foreign intervention is our missile forces and we have already witnessed its limitations in TP1, TP2, TP3 and TP4. No need for more experiments about its limits.

You should be a bit more optimistic. During this 60 days Irán will get two important things,

One is time (60 days).
The other is money.

While enriching more uranium and manufacturing nuclear delivery systems, Irán just need to send the first payment (3.000 millions USD) directly to Russia and collect the complete Su35 squadron while assembling more missiles.

Here we have an old proverb "Pray to God, but keep hammering away.".

The US also gets 60 days, just like us. Time is not on our side if the US says the blockade will remain in effect.

You talk like Russia's reason for not delivering Sukhoi-35s to Iran is money, which is baseless.

 

[tsunset]

Iran should abandon stationary air defenses such as S-300 and HQ-9 which have proven to be completely useless against a powerful enemy with a god tier air force and navy

They all have been destroyed or rendered inoperable in the first days of the war

And instead invest in mobile systems with ambush capabilities

 

[RocketLaw]

1 hour ago

 

[Flotilla]

The US also gets 60 days, just like us. Time is not on our side if the US says the blockade will remain in effect.

You talk like Russia's reason for not delivering Sukhoi-35s to Iran is money, which is baseless

And what do you think that US can differently in 60 days that would change the equation?.

On the other side, if Russia doesn't deliver those fighters and if Islamic Republic falls, everybody knows that in Mehrabad will be stationed B21 in few years... Under the soft belly of Russian South Frontier.

Finally with 3.000 million dollars you can reinforce if not duplicate final assembly line to get them faster.