Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Im guessing we will return to the pre-war status quo. Sanctions will remain. I don’t see them lifting them. Maybe some sanctions, but not the most important ones.

Even if--and a big if-- things may appear to go back to the pre war status quo, some things will have changed drastically:
- Iran's defacto control over the Strait of Hormuz and thus the leverage
- new regional alignments
- end of decades old Israeli impunity to bomb Lebanon

And those are the bare minimum gains for Iran and consider them as the worst case scenario for Iran.

 

[VCheng]

LOL. Whatever helps you cope.

I am merely patient, since only fools rush in to judge. I do not see any reason to declare victory for any side as of yet. When the time comes, it will be approriate, but not before.

Whichever side it may be, the results will show.

But hey, if you wish to declare premature celebration, then I have no reason to contest it. Please go right ahead.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I am merely patient, since only fools rush in to judge. I do not see any reason to declare victory for any side as of yet. When the time comes, it will be approriate, but not before.

Whichever side it may be, the results will show.

But hey, if you wish to declare premature celebration, then I have no reason to contest it. Please go right ahead.

Premature ejaculations, err....celebrations, seem to be a thing with some of the folks here.

 

[VCheng]

Premature ejaculations, err....celebrations, seem to be a thing with some of the folks here.

There are medications available for that too, but hey, it is a choice that anyone can make. I am fine with my own choices, and that is about all I can say.

Regarding the war, the thing that I am most happy for thus far is that the death and destruction will stop. The next thing most important to me is that the economic toll the world over will begin to ease, especially for disadvantaged people who have the least capacity to bear such shocks.

The geopolitical results of who came out ahead, and who got the most while giving away the least will take some time to determine.

And there ain't no rushing that at all.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Even if--and a big if-- things may appear to go back to the pre war status quo, some things will have changed drastically:
- Iran's defacto control over the Strait of Hormuz and thus the leverage
- new regional alignments
- end of decades old Israeli impunity to bomb Lebanon

And those are the bare minimum gains for Iran and consider them as the worst case scenario for Iran.

Also, Iran’s relationship with its neighbours will change drastically.

Closer trade and defence cooperation with Pakistan.

And more assertive approach towards the PGCC poodles.

And can the Bangladeshi PM get off his backside and talk to Iran. Bangladesh has a thriving home appliance sector - Iranians are in need of basic luxuries.

Iran has loads of engineers and doctors - BD could do with some help.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iranians are waiting to sign the agreement with America and then...

The Iranians will wait on the Americans to give them an opportunity to stop Israel before they do anything after the signing. The act of getting Israel to stop and pull out of Lebanon is the same as putting an end to a part of the Greater Israel project, so I am expecting some fireworks.

 

[Flotilla]

That’s still not going to make the US honor the deal.

If they don't fullfill the Hell will unleash in all the region. In few weeks Irán has gained access to nearly all sites knocked by bomb campaign.
Persian Gulf reported that new missile bases are being built and we know drones production has just re-started. In few weels production of missiles will reach pre-war levels. So I just would be worried about Israel. Their crazy President is just cornered an he could try a nonsense bigger than starting the war.

 

[BananaRepublic]

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I don't think he really means it. He wants to create leverage ahead of talks with the US:
"If you don't give us what we want, we will turn to China!"

China, Pakistan and Iran - would be a formidable defence and trading bloc.

India would be left for dust.

 

[BananaRepublic]

The Iranians will wait on the Americans to give them an opportunity to stop Israel before they do anything after the signing. The act of getting Israel to stop and pull out of Lebanon is the same as putting an end to a part of the Greater Israel project, so I am expecting some fireworks.

Israel is like Knotweed.

I don’t think it can survive without encroaching.

Either encroach or be cutdown.

Standstill is suffocation for the invasive creatures.

 

[Shags101]

Premature ejaculations, err....celebrations, seem to be a thing with some of the folks here.

To be fair I’m a pessimist I think the deal will collapse

 

[BananaRepublic]

Nukes never deterred Iran from retaliating.

Nukes never deterred Pakistan from retaliating.

Nukes never deterred Ukraine from retaliating.

And believe me, when and if the time comes, nukes will not deter Japan or SK from punking fat kim in no time.

Fat Kim doesn’t care about his people.

He won’t hesitate to use it.

South Korea and Japan are permanently shafted.

That’s the price of getting USA involved in their affairs.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

To be fair I’m a pessimist I think the deal will collapse

I always try to remain optimistic. Somehow though, my pessimistic side always presents good arguments. Just like I told some buddies of mine in '91. They all laughed when I said we'd be going back to the Gulf.

 

[BonPlan]

Aren’t Israeli fighters just US fighters with a different flag on? What could they contribute without US freebies?

They are able to produce their own MBT, their own SAM and anti missile systems (among the best of the world if not the best).
They were ready to produce their own fighter (Lavi) until USA, seeing a harsh competitor, give them full access to their fighters.
So don't worry for them.
Israel has nothing to demonstrate about their ability to fight.

(note that their opponents, of the past and of the present, are armed by russia, china, iran)

 

[Meengla]

And can the Bangladeshi PM get off his backside and talk to Iran. Bangladesh has a thriving home appliance sector - Iranians are in need of basic luxuries.

I don't know how much reconstruction help Iran will need externally after the war really ends but my guess is countries are already thinking about offering help--and making $$.

Persian Gulf reported that new missile bases are being built and we know drones production has just re-started. In few weels production of missiles will reach pre-war levels. So I just would be worried about Israel. Their crazy President is just cornered an he could try a nonsense bigger than starting the war.

Without American direct involvement--and I mean direct involvement-- there is not much Israel can do. And the potential next Israeli PM Mr. Bennet is already talking against 'protracted wars' despite Bennet being the next biggest warmonger in Israel. Nobody can beat Netanyahu's level of warmongering even in Israel. Nobody.

 

[BonPlan]

And believe me, when and if the time comes, nukes will not deter Japan or SK from punking fat kim in no time.

I agree for all the others, but I have a doubt in the north Korean case.