Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Boeing made that shorted 747SP specifically for Tehran - New York flights, big increase in range and altitude compared to the 747-200

I think that one or two of them are still flyable.

 

[lightning f57]

He’s surrendered to Iran basically.

What an epic US defeat no?

Never knew he’d announce it like dis in front of the whole world…..

Bro his not surrendered his limited the damage this would have done to the US and others had SOH stayed shut. Hopfully he realises what a massive mistake operation epstein failure was.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

France 24 also comparing it to the Treaty of Versailles. I’m not sure they want to say the French got Heir Drumpf to sign famous for start the villain arch that will cause blowback in 2 decades.

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The French do know a thing or two about signing bad deals, don't they?

 

[ShapurII]

Iran Air was not in the top 10 of global airlines back then, not by a long shot. It can be in the years ahead

Lmao. This was the stupidest thing I have read today. Iran Air in the 70s was one of the best air lines in the world by far. It was on par with air lines such as Pan Am, Lufthansa and Air France. Do not comment on something you're clearly ignorant about.

 

[KingQamaR]

Some saying here this MOU doesn't amount to anything substantial. My question to them is: Then why even bothering to negotiate for months, send your VP to a faraway Pakistan, and then sign in such a way that the Israelis and their Lobbies would start targeting you? Why not, as Jefferey Sachs had been saying, just pack up and leave? If pack up and leave didn't happen to protect Israel, then how does the deal protect Israel now that it is written in the agreement that Israel needs to scale back in Lebanon. And what would another frontal war on a replenished Iran achieve after some months which the recent war could not achieve?

An agreement was needed. Americans could have simply left the region by withdrawing the naval vessels but they could not because the impact of the Iranian actions on the Strait of Hormuz was being felt in large parts of the world and would have start to feel badly in America, too, over a time frame.

So the agreement is real and it will be bear more benefits for Iran then given credit for.

Bhai it’s a terrible deal for American Lol. It was a foolish war . At this point the cheapest exit is whatever is quickest. What other option is there? Your other US presidents and cabinets had the foresight to look past the preemptive strike phase and realise it Catastrophe. Americans deserve this for electing a child predator and moron war criminal.

 

[ShapurII]

Bhai it’s a terrible deal for American Lol. It was a foolish war . At this point the cheapest exit is whatever is quickest. What other option is there? Your other US presidents and cabinets had the foresight to look past the preemptive strike phase and realise it Catastrophe. Americans deserve this for electing a child predator and moron war criminal.

Why do you guys assume that the US is looking for an exit strategy?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Since some of you want to argue about an airline that was in existence before some of you were likely born, I took the lazy way out and asked this question of ChatGPT:

How did Iran Air compare with the world's top airlines in the 1970s in terms of service, comfort, and reliability?

The response?

In the 1970s, Iran Air was widely regarded as a genuinely high-quality international airline, not merely a respectable regional carrier. It was not usually placed in the absolute top echelon occupied by airlines such as Singapore Airlines (late 1970s onward), Pan American World Airways, or Qantas, but it was often considered among the better-run and safer airlines in the world.

Reliability and Safety​

This was arguably Iran Air's strongest area.

• By 1976, Iran Air was ranked second only to Qantas in a widely cited airline safety study and had been accident-free for roughly a decade.
• Contemporary accounts describe the airline as professionally managed, financially healthy, and operating a modern fleet with a strong emphasis on maintenance and safety.
• Unlike many state-owned airlines of the era, Iran Air was profitable and largely free from political interference in day-to-day operations.

On reliability, it would have compared favorably with many European flag carriers and was probably closer to airlines like Qantas or KLM than to the more troubled state carriers of the period.

Comfort and Fleet​

Iran Air's fleet was surprisingly modern for the region.

• It operated Boeing 707s, 727s, 737s, and later 747s and Airbus A300s.
• It introduced Boeing 747SP aircraft for ultra-long-haul service and operated nonstop flights between Tehran and New York, one of the most ambitious routes of the era.
• By the late 1970s it served destinations from New York to Tokyo and Beijing, giving it a network more typical of a major global airline than a regional one.

In terms of onboard comfort, Iran Air generally matched the standards of leading long-haul airlines of the day: spacious seating, generous meal service, and a premium cabin product that reflected the more luxurious style of 1970s air travel. However, it was not particularly famous for groundbreaking cabin service in the way that airlines such as Singapore Airlines later became.

Service​

The evidence suggests Iran Air's reputation rested more on professionalism, reliability, and network quality than on legendary hospitality.
A useful comparison would be:

Category	Global leaders in the 1970s	Iran Air
Safety	Qantas, some Japanese carriers	Near the top tier
Reliability	Qantas, KLM, Lufthansa	Strong
Cabin comfort	Pan Am, Qantas, major European carriers	Comparable
Service/hospitality	Asian carriers increasingly setting standards	Good, but not industry-defining
Network ambition	Pan Am, BOAC/British Airways, Air France	Surprisingly extensive

Historical Perspective​

Many aviation historians view 1970s Iran Air as a precursor to today's Gulf hub airlines. Tehran's geographic position allowed it to connect Europe, Asia, and North America efficiently, and the airline had plans to expand even further before the 1979 revolution halted that trajectory.
So if you had asked a frequent international traveler in, say, 1977:

"Is Iran Air one of the world's best airlines?"

The likely answer would have been:

"Yes—especially for safety, professionalism, and long-haul operations. Not necessarily the most glamorous airline in the world, but certainly among the better international carriers."

 

[KingQamaR]

I

Why do you guys assume that the US is looking for an exit strategy?

Americans jumped into an unwinnable war. They want out.

 

[ShapurII]

Since some of you want to argue about an airline that was in existence before some of you were likely born, I took the lazy way out and asked this question of ChatGPT:

How did Iran Air compare with the world's top airlines in the 1970s in terms of service, comfort, and reliability?

The response?

In the 1970s, Iran Air was widely regarded as a genuinely high-quality international airline, not merely a respectable regional carrier. It was not usually placed in the absolute top echelon occupied by airlines such as Singapore Airlines (late 1970s onward), Pan American World Airways, or Qantas, but it was often considered among the better-run and safer airlines in the world.

Reliability and Safety​

This was arguably Iran Air's strongest area.

• By 1976, Iran Air was ranked second only to Qantas in a widely cited airline safety study and had been accident-free for roughly a decade.
• Contemporary accounts describe the airline as professionally managed, financially healthy, and operating a modern fleet with a strong emphasis on maintenance and safety.
• Unlike many state-owned airlines of the era, Iran Air was profitable and largely free from political interference in day-to-day operations.

On reliability, it would have compared favorably with many European flag carriers and was probably closer to airlines like Qantas or KLM than to the more troubled state carriers of the period.

Comfort and Fleet​

Iran Air's fleet was surprisingly modern for the region.

• It operated Boeing 707s, 727s, 737s, and later 747s and Airbus A300s.
• It introduced Boeing 747SP aircraft for ultra-long-haul service and operated nonstop flights between Tehran and New York, one of the most ambitious routes of the era.
• By the late 1970s it served destinations from New York to Tokyo and Beijing, giving it a network more typical of a major global airline than a regional one.

In terms of onboard comfort, Iran Air generally matched the standards of leading long-haul airlines of the day: spacious seating, generous meal service, and a premium cabin product that reflected the more luxurious style of 1970s air travel. However, it was not particularly famous for groundbreaking cabin service in the way that airlines such as Singapore Airlines later became.

Service​

The evidence suggests Iran Air's reputation rested more on professionalism, reliability, and network quality than on legendary hospitality.
A useful comparison would be:

Category	Global leaders in the 1970s	Iran Air
Safety	Qantas, some Japanese carriers	Near the top tier
Reliability	Qantas, KLM, Lufthansa	Strong
Cabin comfort	Pan Am, Qantas, major European carriers	Comparable
Service/hospitality	Asian carriers increasingly setting standards	Good, but not industry-defining
Network ambition	Pan Am, BOAC/British Airways, Air France	Surprisingly extensive

Historical Perspective​

Many aviation historians view 1970s Iran Air as a precursor to today's Gulf hub airlines. Tehran's geographic position allowed it to connect Europe, Asia, and North America efficiently, and the airline had plans to expand even further before the 1979 revolution halted that trajectory.
So if you had asked a frequent international traveler in, say, 1977:

The likely answer would have been:

Thank you for writing the prompt on ChatGPT lol

Now please educate ChatGPT that it is the Persian Gulf. lol There is no such thing as "the Gulf".

 

[ShapurII]

Americans jumped into an unwinnable war. They want out.

Unwinnable in what interval of time? 40 days? 3 months? 1 year? 5 year?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I



Americans jumped into an unwinnable war. They want out.

No. We're just bored now, that's all.

All military objectives were met, we control the Strait, Iran is in shambles, and now, thanks to taking over Venezuela, we're the dominant net energy exporter globally.

We're the boss.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[AZ_HighCountry]

Thank you for writing the prompt on ChatGPT lol

Now please educate ChatGPT that it is the Persian Gulf. lol There is no such thing as "the Gulf".

I'm stunned I'm even using an AI engine. I'm rather proficient doing my own research especially knowing many of the Twitter sources some folks here use are dubious themselves.

But, in this case, it's a good start to testing some of what I'm already aware.

 

[Yasser76]

Lmao. This was the stupidest thing I have read today. Iran Air in the 70s was one of the best air lines in the world by far. It was on par with air lines such as Pan Am, Lufthansa and Air France. Do not comment on something you're clearly ignorant about.

Dude, fleet size, network and revenues all prove you are wrong. Nothing wrong with being proud of Iran Air, it was a good airline, to say it was on par with Pan Am is just wrong. If you want comaprisons, Iran Air was probably behind PIA in the 60s and 70s, and I do not consider PIA a top 10 airline of the period.

First Jet airliner for PIA was in 1960, first for Iran Air was in 1965.
PIA's total fleet of 747s and 707s was larger then Iran Airs in the 60s and 70s, much larger.
In 1978 Iran Air flew to 31 International destinations, PIA flew to 40
Here you are now putting it in par with Pan AM.

Suggest we get back to topic now.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Dude, fleet size, network and revenues all prove you are wrong. Nothing wrong with being proud of Iran Air, it was a good airline, to say it was on par with Pan Am is just wrong. If you want comaprisons, Iran Air was probably behind PIA in the 60s and 70s, and I do not consider PIA a top 10 airline of the period.

First Jet airliner for PIA was in 1960, first for Iran Air was in 1965.
PIA's total fleet of 747s and 707s was larger then Iran Airs in the 60s and 70s, much larger.
In 1978 Iran Air flew to 31 International destinations, PIA flew to 40
Here you are now putting it in par with Pan AM.

Suggest we get back to topic now.

See my post above.