Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

 

[VCheng]

One cannot predict the future, one can comment on the present, and in that sense, this seems like a overwhelming victory for Iran

I am very happy for you to be able to make that conclusion so early, Sir. I have absolutely no problem with that at all, if that is what you must think.

 

[TAC]

Behind paywall so posting all.
Plenty of the Israeli way of 'Randi Rona' (Breast Beating). Enjoy!!

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/world/middleeast/israel-iran-deal-reaction-netanyahu.html

Israel awoke to a frightening new reality on Thursday as it absorbed, with disbelief and largely in silence, the terms of President Trump’s agreement to end the war with Iran.

It is a disastrous deal from Israel’s point of view, analysts said, because it accomplishes none of Israel’s war aims and arguably leaves the country in worse shape on each of them.

“It’s a bad agreement in which the Americans are paying with cash, and got, at the maximum, a letter of intent,” Yaakov Amidror, a hawkish former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, said in an interview.

David Horovitz, the editor of The Times of Israel, called it “a catastrophic capitulation,” in the headline of a lengthy opinion column.

And Nir Dvori, an analyst for Israel’s Channel 12 News, likened the deal to a “diplomatic Oct. 7” — a cataclysmic disaster for which Israel was wholly unprepared.

Regime change? The government in Tehran is emerging from the war even more hard-line and emboldened, despite being decapitated at the outset of the conflict in late February. Some analysts said Iran had effectively chased the U.S. military out of the region, given the deal’s requirement that American forces retreat from the “proximity” of Iran within 30 days.

Ballistic missiles and proxy militias? The agreement does nothing to address Iran’s missile arsenal or its support of Israel’s enemies, like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen.

Worse, by constraining Israeli military action in Lebanon — indeed, by requiring that Israel withdraw its forces from that country — it seeks to handcuff Israel in a way that it was not before the war began.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Iran could receive in sanctions relief, unfrozen assets, or reconstruction aid could wind up funding more missiles in Iran and aiding Tehran’s militia allies around the Middle East.

And Iran’s nuclear program? The existential threat to Israel that Mr. Netanyahu tried to eliminate throughout his career, and which was Mr. Trump’s primary reason for joining the wars on Iran, was left for a later stage of U.S.-Iran negotiations.

Mr. Netanyahu and top officials in his government offered no public comment on the agreement overnight, leaving minor ministers and backbench lawmakers to put the best possible face on it.

Amichai Chikli, the diaspora affairs minister, speculated in a radio interview that Mr. Netanyahu would know how to say no to Mr. Trump about pulling out of Lebanon just as he knew how “to bring the United States into this war.”

But others more soberly grappled with the degree to which Mr. Netanyahu’s triumphalist rhetoric from early in the war had proved fantastical. He had repeatedly and confidently assured Israelis that the country and its alliance with the United States were “changing the face of the Middle East” to Israel’s advantage.

“We are remaking the region,” Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, said on Thursday.

“Iran came out stronger, and I believe is now the regional hegemon,” he added. “They stood up to the U.S., the global superpower. They can have missiles, and there’s nothing in the agreement about the nuclear issue except we’ll talk about it. This is an Iranian victory over the U.S. and Israel.”

Careful now, NYT will get accused of being ‘premature’ too lol.

 

[Yasser76]

Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.

PIA had many world firsts and was a premier airline too, however the rise of 3rd party carriers is a recent phenomen, no airline back then can compare is size, revenue or service to the modern major carrier, this is no criticism

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.

I remember seeing Iran Air flights as a kid,

 

[VCheng]

Mechanisms to achieve what?

The steps that need to be taken on both sides, to ensure that commitments made (for example, about fissile materials) are kept, and stepwise release of funds for each such step completed successfully, are yet to be defined.

 

[ShapurII]

PIA had many world firsts and was a premier airline too, however the rise of 3rd party carriers is a recent phenomen, no airline back then can compare is size, revenue or service to the modern major carrier, this is no criticism

Sure, there is no comparison between air lines in 70s and 2026. I'm afraid I'm missing your point.

 

[Yasser76]

I remember seeing Iran Air flights as a kid,

Boeing made that shorted 747SP specifically for Tehran - New York flights, big increase in range and altitude compared to the 747-200

 

[Yasser76]

Sure, there is no comparison between air lines in 70s and 2026. I'm afraid I'm missing your point.

Iran Air was not in the top 10 of global airlines back then, not by a long shot. It can be in the years ahead

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Contrary to the doomers and gloomers here and contrary to Trump's boast about 100 million barrels passed through the Strait, listen to what Elijah Magnier said a few days ago: Even if the 100 million barrels claim was true, that was still a very small amount of the needed output. And also listen to what Trump himself said yesterday about 'only four weeks' reserves left.

Which, for those who are able to connect the dots, falls in line with what I've been seeing and oil executives reporting regarding US gasoline inventories.

It's an election season here in the US. It is now summer (or will be in 2 days). What better way to ensure an epic and humiliating defeat at the ballot box if the American public is paying $7+ per gallon across the country. If they can even find it that is.

I realize with some here there is no explaining that reality so I'll no longer attempt it. But that is the harsh reality. We live in an era where political outcomes drive the thought process.

 

[VCheng]

Boeing made that shorted 747SP specifically for Tehran - New York flights, big increase in range and altitude compared to the 747-200

I think that one or two of them are still flyable.

 

[lightning f57]

He’s surrendered to Iran basically.

What an epic US defeat no?

Never knew he’d announce it like dis in front of the whole world…..

Bro his not surrendered his limited the damage this would have done to the US and others had SOH stayed shut. Hopfully he realises what a massive mistake operation epstein failure was.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

France 24 also comparing it to the Treaty of Versailles. I’m not sure they want to say the French got Heir Drumpf to sign famous for start the villain arch that will cause blowback in 2 decades.

The French do know a thing or two about signing bad deals, don't they?

 

[ShapurII]

Iran Air was not in the top 10 of global airlines back then, not by a long shot. It can be in the years ahead

Lmao. This was the stupidest thing I have read today. Iran Air in the 70s was one of the best air lines in the world by far. It was on par with air lines such as Pan Am, Lufthansa and Air France. Do not comment on something you're clearly ignorant about.

 

[KingQamaR]

Some saying here this MOU doesn't amount to anything substantial. My question to them is: Then why even bothering to negotiate for months, send your VP to a faraway Pakistan, and then sign in such a way that the Israelis and their Lobbies would start targeting you? Why not, as Jefferey Sachs had been saying, just pack up and leave? If pack up and leave didn't happen to protect Israel, then how does the deal protect Israel now that it is written in the agreement that Israel needs to scale back in Lebanon. And what would another frontal war on a replenished Iran achieve after some months which the recent war could not achieve?

An agreement was needed. Americans could have simply left the region by withdrawing the naval vessels but they could not because the impact of the Iranian actions on the Strait of Hormuz was being felt in large parts of the world and would have start to feel badly in America, too, over a time frame.

So the agreement is real and it will be bear more benefits for Iran then given credit for.

Bhai it’s a terrible deal for American Lol. It was a foolish war . At this point the cheapest exit is whatever is quickest. What other option is there? Your other US presidents and cabinets had the foresight to look past the preemptive strike phase and realise it Catastrophe. Americans deserve this for electing a child predator and moron war criminal.