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Hebrew Channel 12: The incident in which a soldier was killed and 7 others were injured, including the deputy commander of the 36th Division, took place in the town of Taybeh, and estimates indicate that elements from Hezbollah infiltrated the town and planted the explosive device

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Hezbollah fighters infiltrated into the Israeli occupied south Lebanon, planted an IED, and withdrew
 
US VP Vance: Fundamentally, the Israelis just like anyone else has to respect this peace process. What frustrates the president sometimes is that we seem to be right on the cusp of a major agreement, and then all of the sudden there's a major explosion that goes off in a civilian population center in Beirut, and a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hezbollah lose their lives. That's not acceptable. We have got to actually build the kind of regional framework to cut off money to Hezbollah-but also ensure that Lebanon's territorial sovereignty is respected by all parties.
 
US VP Vance: Fundamentally, the Israelis just like anyone else has to respect this peace process. What frustrates the president sometimes is that we seem to be right on the cusp of a major agreement, and then all of the sudden there's a major explosion that goes off in a civilian population center in Beirut, and a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hezbollah lose their lives. That's not acceptable. We have got to actually build the kind of regional framework to cut off money to Hezbollah-but also ensure that Lebanon's territorial sovereignty is respected by all parties.
For once the Americans calling the scum out. Israel is having its last ally lose its patience.
 
US VP Vance: Fundamentally, the Israelis just like anyone else has to respect this peace process. What frustrates the president sometimes is that we seem to be right on the cusp of a major agreement, and then all of the sudden there's a major explosion that goes off in a civilian population center in Beirut, and a lot of people who have nothing to do with Hezbollah lose their lives. That's not acceptable. We have got to actually build the kind of regional framework to cut off money to Hezbollah-but also ensure that Lebanon's territorial sovereignty is respected by all parties.

I wonder what those people will say now after insisting that Israel controls USA.

(National interests above all in international geopolitics. Always.)
 
I wonder what those people will say now after insisting that Israel controls USA.

(National interests above all in international geopolitics. Always.)

Israel does control the USA

Think about how many absolutely retarded things the U.S has done against it's OWN INTERESTS for the Zionists

How many wars
How the U.S has destroyed its own moral standing supporting a genocide
Harmed it's own economic welfare and that if it's own people just for the Jews


Just because their is a awakening amongst the U.S population and some push back, doesn't mean Israel doesn't control the U.S and leads it around by the balls

The U.S has a big fight if it wants to overthrow Zionist control and all the Zionist handlers in U.S politics and economics
 
I wonder what those people will say now after insisting that Israel controls USA.

(National interests above all in international geopolitics. Always.)

What you are seeing is the start of the second independence movement in the USA led by Vance ??
 
I wonder what those people will say now after insisting that Israel controls USA.

(National interests above all in international geopolitics. Always.)
That's a very simplistic way to look at the US-Israel relationship.

We need to be very clear what we're talking about when we say US and Israel.

When we are talking about the US, are you talking about the US President/government/administration, the US military industrial complex, the US corporations/billionaires (US ecosystem) or the American people?

Because the relationship of each of those to Israel is very different.

Many academics and historians have made the case that the US Presidents/politicians are controlled by Israel through lobbying and other tactics.

When you talk about the US military industrial complex, it gets even more interesting. If you study the different security agencies, sometimes they are indistinguishable from the Israeli security agencies. They have a much more integrated relationship than we can even comprehend. Despite Israel not being part of the 5-eyes, it still has much more in-depth relationship with the US security agencies and the military industrial complex than those nations have. In fact, it is easy to make a case that Israel is the military outpost of the US in the Middle East, when we compare the relationships of the security states in both countries.

When we talk about the US ecosystem that consists of mainstream media, corporations; we need an outsized influence of Israel as well. Many corporations are headed by either rich dual Israeli-American billionaire citizens, or by billionaires that have deep links to Israel. This US ecosystem is how Israel managed to historically have such high approval ratings with the American people.

Now the American people, they have historically been very supportive of Israel, but due to the sheer nature of the rise of social media, what they have seen in Gaza; they are not supportive of Israel.

Key events defining the US-Israeli relationship: no action by any US president against Israel for the USS Liberty attacks. Jonathan Pollard worked as an Israeli spy sharing the US's deepest weapons secrets with Israel, and Trump pardoning him and letting him move to Israel. Also, no US action against Israel proliferation of highly classified information to other countries like Russia.

However, the better question to ask is: who is more dependent on the other - Israel or the US. The clear answer to the question is Israel is far more dependent on the US than vice versa. The US is the world's sole superpower with almost a monopoly over most international institutions and bodies. Israel is isolated in the world, and needs the sole US support to counterbalance every other nation in the world. Israel on the other hand can offer the US far less than vice versa. Israel needs the US for survival, the US does not need Israel for survival.
 
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Your first part is spot on. However it is easy for us outsiders to demand that when we are not the ones who are getting carpet bombed by the Zionists just across the border from Israel itself. Israeli attacks on South Lebanon (or Gaza for that matter) are completely incomparable with the largely token Israeli attacks on Iran far away. They are far, far more destructive in scale, size and intensity. Not to mention that Israel actually is able to commit boots on the ground which neither the Israelis or Americans ever did in Iran.

Sorry to say it but Hezbollah's behavior has only given Israel the excuse to once again occupy and most likely annex Lebanese territory.

It is a difficult place to be in for Hezbollah and South Lebanon because Israel would likely have attacked them regardless.

In any case Lebanese impotence is all due by design (since Lebanon as an entity was carved out by Syria - I covered this extensively in this thread many months ago) and due to the inherent divisions within Lebanon - which again is by design.

For starters it is a joke that a non-state actor like Hezbollah (even though they have embedded themselves in the Lebanese state institutions for decades) is stronger (much more in fact) than the official military/army of Lebanon.

Imagine if Pakistan, if attacked by India, was defended by some non-state actor (Baloch insurgents, whatever armed groups/terrorists or what you want to call it) rather than the official military.

It is a complete and utter mess.

To make it short, the only solution is for all parties in Lebanon to unite in this endeavor and work for the great good of Lebanon itself and its people, regardless of sectarian and political affiliations, but that is unlikely to occur. It has never really occurred since Lebanon was carved out by Syria by the French so not sure why, in a much more weakened state, with a totally failed economy, and now no Al-Assad regime next door in Syria, they will do it.

You've brought many themes here not necessarily on this topic, but it is good you brought them up, because we must be clear about some things.

I agree with some of the points you've made, no doubt about it.

Things I agree with:

a) Yes, Israel cannot annihilate Iran the same way it can with regions it shares borders with.

b) Lebanon's impotence is due to design - that is absolutely correct. Anyone that has read up on Lebanon's history knows it was carved out of Syria by the French, and knows how carving out this region and calling it Lebanon, and building the divisions into that society is playing out today.


But the things you fail to mention:

a) The non-Palestinian Arabs (especially Jordan, Egypt; and to a lesser extent Saudi Arabia and the rest of the GCC countries) have not fought for the Palestinian cause post 1967 and 1973. In fact, Jordan and Egypt signed treaties and security arrangements with the Israeli state.

Now I personally agree that a TRUE 2-state solution is the way to resolve this Israel-Palestine conflict. I don't think Israel can be removed from this earth, so any effort to try to target that, as a result of which inflicting more suffering on the Palestinians is counterproductive. I agree with that. But it is still resistance (does not de-legitimitize them), even if it results in worse outcomes for the Palestinians.

The thing with Iran and Hezbollah is, at least they are trying to do something about the conditions of the Palestinians. Look at what the non-Palestinian Arabs have done post 1967 and 1973: they have let Israel annex the West Bank with settlements, converting that land into swiss cheese.

The 2 state solutions proposed in the Oslo accord were the West Bank becoming Swiss cheese. The Taba accord and Olmert proposals were better than the Oslo accords, but relied on land swaps in the West Bank that would ensure the biggest settlements remained in the West Bank (like Ariel), and Israel retained control over important parts of Jerusalem. The West Bank would still not have territorial integrity, it would not be contiguous territory able to control its resources, economy. Furthermore, the state would be demilitarized, similar to the PA administration with the Israeli state. So while the Taba accord and Olmert proposals were better than the Oslo accords, it would still result in Palestinian occupation and subjugation. The Arabs never really took that on post 1973.

b) About Hezbollah, the only reason why Israel started a ground operation there, and wants to create a buffer zone there and keep it occupied is because they stepped in the Gaza-Israel war (when no one else did). If they had kept themselves out of it, maybe some Lebanese would have been happy, but all people with morals would detest the killings in Gaza.

c) Again about Hezbollah, we can say many things about the Syria conflict. But you can see what Sharaa thinks about the Palestinians through his actions. There isn't much more that needs to be said about him.
 
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Famous Brazilian geopolitical analysts may have managed to unlock the greatest secret hidden by Zionism: the Trump vs. Netanyahu conflict was a charade to conceal the fact that the pause in the war with Iran was due to the military approach no longer being viable against Iran, as Iran was actually winning on the battlefield and all the original political objectives of the war were no longer achievable.

Then a new plan emerged: to stop the war against Iran so that al-Joolani's Syria (placed in power by the US/NATO) could invade Lebanon, with thousands of black ops and mercenary groups already on the Lebanese border. The idea was not just to "destroy Hezbollah" but to conquer Lebanon and allow Israel to advance into the country as it did in Syria, and then invade Iran through Syria (with Lebanon already under control). Trump accepted the "Iran deal" because he had received approval from Syria regarding the invasion of Lebanon. Therefore, Syria's invasion of Lebanon would not be a "violation of the agreement" (on the part of the US) because the agreement says nothing about Syria. However, if Iran were to intervene and help Lebanon, it would be violating the agreement because it stipulates that Iran cannot intervene in other nations.
 
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Famous Brazilian geopolitical analysts may have managed to unlock the greatest secret hidden by Zionism: the Trump vs. Netanyahu conflict was a charade to conceal the fact that the pause in the war with Iran was due to the military approach no longer being viable against Iran, as Iran was actually winning on the battlefield and all the original political objectives of the war were no longer achievable.

Then a new plan emerged: to stop the war against Iran so that al-Joolani's Syria (placed in power by the US/NATO) could invade Lebanon, with thousands of black ops and mercenary groups already on the Lebanese border. The idea was not just to "destroy Hezbollah" but to conquer Lebanon and allow Israel to advance into the country as it did in Syria, and then invade Iran through Syria (with Lebanon already under control). Trump accepted the "Iran deal" because he had received approval from Syria regarding the invasion of Lebanon. Therefore, Syria's invasion of Lebanon would not be a "violation of the agreement" (on the part of the US) because the agreement says nothing about Syria. However, if Iran were to intervene and help Lebanon, it would be violating the agreement because it stipulates that Iran cannot intervene in other nations.
You know I too have feeling that something is up. Why did trump surrender so easily. I am cautiously optimistic that trump vance etc understood their folly and stopped this stupid war; but something inside also tells me that this whole thing could be a ruse by trump and the Zionists
 

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