JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Oscar]

Hi,

Dog fight & merge specialist---my information is correct---. First batch JF17's were not BVR capable---regardless of whatever reason there was---.

No it isnt - you claimed the first batch was not capable and then are rambling on Dogfight and merge specialist which no one brought up or gave a hoot about after you are proven to making usual "Look at me! I know it all and am important" statements.

 

[Oscar]

ur one foot in the grave uncle, a little humility when wrong wouldnt kill you...your age will do that first

The fact that he has to make an entire thread on that shows humility is far far far from his mind.

 

[Starlord]

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What kind of missiles or bombs is the JF-17B is carrying? are they CM-400 missiles but its cold outside?

 

[SBD-3]

Hi,

I am pretty sure that the BLK 1 was not BVR capable---. It came as a ground strike aircraft and most of the older members of the forum at that time were shocked including myself---.

I believe it was due to the Radar---. The French had reneged on the EW package and the PAF had to rush back to the chinese---.

The SD-10 was already undergoing testing on PT-4 (rolled out in 2006), and the Chinese Embassy's own public relations material clearly suggests that the JF-17 was envisioned as both BVR- and nuclear-capable from the outset. Here's an extract from the PR of Chinese embassy in Pakistan on rollout of first Jeff

"An ability to carry short- as well as long-range air-to-air missiles lends the aircraft a first shot capability of conventional as well as non-conventional arsenal."

PM to be chief guest at roll out of JF-17

That raises an interesting question: why did the PAF need to procure the SD-10 when, as far as I know, it had already developed or deployed a derivative of the R-Darter (possibly the Red Crescent project) for its Mirage fleet?

In theory, the PAF could have expanded upon the R-Darter/A-Darter technology base to develop indigenous BVR and WVR solutions for the JF-17. Instead, the domestic missile ecosystem appears to have remained largely confined to the Mirage fleet. That may also help explain why the Mirages remained in service for so long despite their age.

Transferring the Mirage weapons stack and associated know-how to the JF-17 could potentially have saved the PAF a significant amount of money and reduced dependence on foreign suppliers. Yet that transition never seems to have materialized, which is somewhat puzzling. It makes me wonder whether the obstacle was technical integration, intellectual property restrictions, industrial limitations, or simply the availability of the SD-10 as a ready-made and relatively mature solution.

 

[MastanKhan]

The SD-10 was already undergoing testing on PT-4 (rolled out in 2006), and the Chinese Embassy's own public relations material clearly suggests that the JF-17 was envisioned as both BVR- and nuclear-capable from the outset. Here's an extract from the PR of Chinese embassy in Pakistan on rollout of first Jeff

"An ability to carry short- as well as long-range air-to-air missiles lends the aircraft a first shot capability of conventional as well as non-conventional arsenal."

PM to be chief guest at roll out of JF-17

That raises an interesting question: why did the PAF need to procure the SD-10 when, as far as I know, it had already developed or deployed a derivative of the R-Darter (possibly the Red Crescent project) for its Mirage fleet?

In theory, the PAF could have expanded upon the R-Darter/A-Darter technology base to develop indigenous BVR and WVR solutions for the JF-17. Instead, the domestic missile ecosystem appears to have remained largely confined to the Mirage fleet. That may also help explain why the Mirages remained in service for so long despite their age.

Transferring the Mirage weapons stack and associated know-how to the JF-17 could potentially have saved the PAF a significant amount of money and reduced dependence on foreign suppliers. Yet that transition never seems to have materialized, which is somewhat puzzling. It makes me wonder whether the obstacle was technical integration, intellectual property restrictions, industrial limitations, or simply the availability of the SD-10 as a ready-made and relatively mature solution.

Hi,

I remember it clearly statements by the PAF when the first batch that came in---. They were more of a ground strike aircraft / package---.

There was a large hue and cry on this forum at that time for a lack of BVR missile---.

I wrote about it---many a member wrote about it---. It was a major concern---.

My knees are shaky---but doing numbers for the last 37 years---the brain is sharper than people half my age---even though I make excuses to look old---.

 

[ghazi52]